Arsenal: The Cassian to her Nesta

Ellen: Taylor Swift, everybody! It’s been a long time. You’ve gotten married, released more music, broken more records… and apparently forgotten my wedding invitation. Taylor: (laughs) Ellen, we’ve been sitting here for thirty seconds and you’re already starting trouble. Ellen: Well, people are saying there’s bad blood between us. I thought I’d ask the woman who actually wrote the song. Taylor: I think people confuse having an uncomfortable experience with having a lifelong feud. Ellen: Speaking of uncomfortable experiences, that old interview where I kept asking about your ex-boyfriends has been everywhere again. Did I really upset you that much? Taylor: Ellen, I was sitting there practically begging you to stop. Everybody was laughing, but I wasn’t laughing anymore. Ellen: At the time, I thought we were just having fun. Taylor: And that’s the thing. Sometimes something is funny to everyone in the room except the person it’s happening to. Ellen: That’s fair. Looking back, I should’ve paid more attention. Taylor: I appreciate that. I was young, and I felt like every relationship I had was being turned into entertainment. I wanted people to talk about my music, not keep score of the men I’d dated. Ellen: Now you’ve married Travis Kelce. Congratulations, by the way. Adam Sandler officiated your wedding. I mean, how does Adam Sandler get invited and I don’t? Taylor: (laughs) Ellen! He was literally marrying us! Ellen: I could’ve done that! I’ve hosted nineteen seasons of television. I know how to stand in front of people and talk. Taylor: That’s exactly what I was afraid of. Ellen: Wow. Okay, I walked into that one. Ellen: But seriously, you’ve had so much public drama over the years. Kanye, the masters controversy, friendships people think have ended. Does it ever get exhausting? Taylor: Absolutely. What’s exhausting is when strangers decide they know exactly what happened in a relationship or friendship because somebody stopped appearing in somebody else’s photographs. Ellen: And when you don’t explain yourself, people assume the worst. Taylor: Exactly. But I’ve learned that I don’t owe the entire internet an explanation for every personal decision. Ellen: I can relate to that. When my show ended, there were a lot of difficult conversations about what had happened behind the scenes. I’ve had to think about criticism, responsibility, and what I want my life to look like afterward. Taylor: I think everybody deserves room to grow. But growth also means being willing to hear why someone was hurt, even when that wasn’t your intention. Ellen: That’s a good point. So, how’s married life treating you? Taylor: It’s wonderful. Travis makes me laugh, and there’s something really special about being with someone who celebrates your success instead of feeling threatened by it. Ellen: And you’re still writing music! The Life of a Showgirl, a song for Toy Story 5… Do you ever actually take a day off? Taylor: I try. But sometimes I’ll be doing something completely normal and suddenly think of a lyric. That’s not really something you can schedule. Ellen: Meanwhile, I’ve been living in England, enjoying a quieter life, and thinking about getting back into television. Taylor: You miss interviewing people? Ellen: I do. Although this conversation is reminding me how dangerous it can be. Taylor: (laughs) Maybe just retire the games involving people’s ex-boyfriends. Ellen: Deal. One final question. Are we good? Taylor: Ellen, I never said we weren’t. I just think it’s possible to appreciate the good memories and still be honest about the bad ones. Ellen: That’s probably the most mature answer anyone’s ever given me on this show. Taylor: Well, you didn’t bring out the bell this time. Ellen: Actually, we have one backstage. Taylor: Ellen! Ellen: Kidding! I’m kidding! (Both laugh.)

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