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๐ฝ๐น๐ฎ๐ถ๐ป๐ถ๐ป๐ด ๐๐ต๐ ๐๐ต๐ฒ ๐ ๐ฎ๐ป ๐๐ถ๐๐ ๐ฝ๐๐ป๐ถ๐๐ต๐บ๐ฒ๐ป๐ ๐บ๐๐๐ ๐ฏ๐ฒ ๐๐ฒ๐๐ฒ๐ฟ๐ฒ
Here are the arguments that I expect the PL legal team will make for why the Independent Commission must apply the most severe punishments possible.
1) ๐๐ค๐๐ฃ๐ฉ๐จ ๐๐๐๐ช๐๐ฉ๐๐ค๐ฃ๐จ ๐ฉ๐ค ๐ง๐๐ก๐๐๐๐ฉ๐
The typical points deduction baseline for a regular PSR breach is 6 points for the breach and a further point for every ยฃ5m over the limit. These are then varied for mitigating and aggravating circumstances.
By my calculations, Man City breached PSR by at least ยฃ120-140m each year over 2015/16-2017/18. In aggregate, that would mean a baseline of 96 points deducted. But this was not a regular PSR breach either. It was historic, hidden, the platform for all success and future growth and whatโs more, they then sought to evade / fight justice for years.
So the points deduction should probably be larger than 96. The simple reality is they must go down.
Anything less would be egregious (when viewed alongside precedent) and subject to not only appeal, but almost certainly Section X arbitration and judidical review on the basis it was a perverse outcome.
2) ๐๐ช๐๐ ๐๐๐ฃ๐๐ฃ๐๐๐๐ก ๐๐ข๐ฅ๐ก๐๐๐๐ฉ๐๐ค๐ฃ๐จ, ๐ง๐๐๐ช๐๐๐ฃ๐ ๐๐๐ฃ ๐พ๐๐ฉ๐ฎโ๐จ ๐๐ช๐ฉ๐ช๐ง๐ ๐จ๐ฅ๐๐ฃ๐๐๐ฃ๐
Given precedent of other fines applied by Commissions, the scale of the offences, and the length of time taken from discovery to sanction (mostly due to Man Cityโs non-cooperation), Man City can expect the largest ever fine in football history.
I will do a more detailed thread on this soon, but I suspect a fine of up to ยฃ100m (justified on the basis of damage to the PL brand) and compensation claims to the 4 clubs of more than ยฃ1bn in total.
Normally, fines and compensation claims are not counted when assessing FFP / PSR because to include them would be considered โdouble punishmentโ. However, excluding them might be considered unfair in this specific case.
Man City smuggled in more than ยฃ800m of equity, disguised as sponsor income. In todayโs prices, that would be worth billions. They have built an empire on the cheating and still benefit from it to this day. Their valuable squad (which they can sell to raise funds) exists because of it. Itโs why their โnet spendโ isnโt that high. Whatโs more, valuable long-term commercial deals only exist because of it too.
The sanctions must also โmake goodโ the damage that Man City cause but they must also mitigate for any undue sporting advantage they have gained. As such, that massive spending power that they gained through cheating must be restricted to compensate. Including the fines or compensation would not achieve this In the PL now that the rules are SCR-based rather than PSR-based. As such, I suspect the Panel will be asked to achieve this by applying a mark-down to their SCR allowance. Uefa may be asked to include the fines and comp claims in any assessment of their Football Earnings (I doubt theyโll comply).
3) ๐๐๐ฉ๐ก๐ ๐จ๐ฉ๐ง๐๐ฅ๐ฅ๐๐ฃ๐
Every single major player acquisition from the summer of 2011 onwards can be tied to the illicit funds. Directly or indirectly. These players were absolutely critical to their ill-gotten success. It is impossible to argue that they would have won their titles without them. As such, there is a strong argument for why titles should be stripped. It is also a needed outcome for the purposes of deterrent against future cheating by other parties.
And even through they only breaached PSR from 2015/16 onwards (they breached Uefa FFP two years rules earlier), they started getting the benefit of their scheme much earlier than that. Had they not devised it, with the intention to defraud the league, then they likely would not have spent nearly as much as they did on players in Summer 2011 onwards.
So there is an argument that everything they won from 2011/12 onwards is tainted (i.e., all of it). That is the argument I would make. All of it must be stripped.
The counter-argument is that only titles won from the first PSR breach (in 2015/16) should be stripped by suggesting that sporting advantage did not apply until that year. I feel this argument is weaker but this is subjective. The Panel could go either way.
4) ๐๐ค๐ง๐๐๐ ๐จ๐๐ก๐ ๐ช๐ฃ๐๐๐ง ๐ฉ๐๐ง๐๐๐ฉ ๐ค๐ ๐๐ญ๐ฅ๐ช๐ก๐จ๐๐ค๐ฃ
The cheating was on a massive scale. But whatโs worse is how it was undertaken. It required a hidden criminal conspiracy on an enormous scale. Whatโs even worse is when it was discovered, the owner and club execs did everything they could to deny justice. They refused to comply with the investigation, dragging it out for years. They supplied false documentation and committed perjury at CAS, as well as having eminent business leaders do the same. They demonstrated a total disregard for the rules and the leagueโs integrity. They demonstrated a clear belief that they are above any and all rules.
The rule breaches were only discoverable due to an email hack that will likely never be possible again (all malign actors will be more careful now). And they have so much power to falsify records, silence whilstblowers and force individuals to lie. They are an existential threat to the league.
You simply cannot allow individuals like that to remain in a competition if you want it to maintain integrity. They pose too great a threat.
The Panel cannot expel the club directly but it can recommend that the clubs vote to do so. But I suspect no-one will want to destroy the club. That is unfair to many employees and fans. They would rather just excise the ownership instead. As such, the Panel should recommend that the club be expelled if it is not sold to completely unassociated parties within a year, with a sale likely undertaken on a competitive basis and managed by an independent third party (similar to Chelseaโs).
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Replying to @triffic_stuff_
I personally donโt think Gary Speed was selfish, or Graham Thorpe, or Ricky Hatton, or David Bairstow, or David Kelly, or Justin Fashanu, or Chester Bennington, or Chris Cornell, or the 6,190 people who died by suicide in the UK in 2024.
It remains the biggest killer of men under 50 and women under 35, if youโre struggling call Samaritans on 116 123.
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We are deeply saddened by the passing of the legendary Kevin Keegan and mourn his loss. His indomitable spirit and remarkable contribution will be forever etched in our history and his legacy will live on.
Rest in peace, Kevin. 1951-2026
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Harry Kane has accused ITV and other World Cup broadcasters of trying to create division in the England squad as he dismissed the notion of a rift
โWhen you are playing a game like that and to be asked a question five minutes after the final whistle, and he [Bellingham] didnโt really know what the manager has said, what do you want Jude to say?
โIt is easy to try and create this division โ it seems like an English mentality, an English thing to do at these major tournaments."
๐: telegraph.co.uk/football/202โฆ
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Liverpool FC can confirm Arne Slot is to depart his role as head coach with immediate effect and that the process to appoint a successor is under way.
He leaves with a Premier League title to his name and our deepest gratitude and appreciation.
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Thank you for your continued support in a disappointing season.
Itโs way off the standards expected at this football club.
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I have witnessed this club go from doubters to believers, and from believers to champions. It took hard work and I always did everything I could to help the club get there. Nothing makes me prouder than that.
Us crumbling to yet another defeat this season was very painful and not what our fans deserve. I want to see Liverpool go back to being the heavy metal attacking team that opponents fear and back to being a team that wins trophies. That is the football I know how to play and that is the identity that needs to be recovered and kept for good. It cannot be negotiable and everyone that joins this club should adapt to it.
Winning some games here and there is not what Liverpool should be about. All teams win games.
Liverpool will always be a club that means a great deal to me and to my family. I want to see it succeed for long after I have moved on.
As Iโve always said, qualifying to next seasonโs Champions League is the bare minimum and I will do everything I can to make that happen.
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A reminder - before Trump, MAGA, Musk and Fox rewrote history - that this is what the entire country agreed had happened five years ago today:
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366 G/A in 420 games for Liverpool.
Incredible how fast people forget what Mo Salah has done for that club.
Replying to @SkyHelpTeam
@SkyHelpTeam What is going on? Sky Q has gone off twice in the last 20 minutes. Clearly itโs not just me. No response on your website or app.
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It is with immense sadness that we announce the passing of Eggheads great Chris Hughes. Chris joined the show in 2003 and over the next 20 years gave us not only brilliant answers but very many laughs and happy memories. He will be hugely missed by all his Eggheads family.
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After several delays, @DOGE has finally posted its purported savings. Why did it take so long to create a simple webpage with a 1000-row table? Who knows! Let's dig in.
Headline number: $55B saved. They list the savings per nixed contract. This should be easy to verify then.
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It's Monday. @DOGE is the laziest, most overpaid bunch of incompetent, unelected bureaucrats we've ever seen.
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With the FA scrapping replays in the cup this season, it is estimated this wouldโve made Tamworth up to ยฃ1M if they had got their replay against Spurs.
Tamworthโs yearly revenue is ยฃ1.6m.
Shameful.
I think it's time to emigrate, you can find me on Bluesky @elliotgc.bsky.social bsky.app/profile/elliotgc.bsโฆ
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How Musk broke Twitter and helped elect Trump
(Location: Tesla European HQ, Amsterdam)
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Just 3 mins of @OliDugmore debunking Mike Parry's absolute nonsense over Thomas Tuchel's appointment x
Oli debunking absolute nonsense over Thomas Tuchel
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Why?
"Why don't we produce English coaches of Tuchel's standard, Collymore "?
Two reasons.
1. ยฃ13,700 to do your Pro licence in England, today. In Spain it's around โฌ2000. There are 2200 Spanish pro licence coaches. There are 200 English pro licence coaches. Look at the correlation between cost and coaching number.
2. Gerrard, Lampard, Rooney all took jobs instead of doing 3 years at SGP. Why? Gerrard got ยฃ2.5m at Rangers, Lampard ยฃ1m Derby, Rooney $1m Washington. Fuentes, Spanish head coach coached Sevilla and Bilbao youth on around โฌ30k then Alaves first team where he lasted 6 months on around โฌ100k before being sacked ( for those who thought Southgate Boro CV wasn't up to scratch).
So English coaches have to pay 10 times more than European compatriots to get the same qualification, and English players don't give SGP an identity because they never get there, they go straight to jobs where their fame gets them inflated salary and deal.
I invite anyone reading this to..
Tell me Gerrard's philosophy.
Lampard's philosophy.
Rooney's philosophy.
You can't. Because they never went to SGP to learn one or develop one with each other. An "English way". All winners by the way.
Spain? France? Every 12 year old could tell you the arse end of every Spanish coach, what the core tenets are and how they play. Why? Those coaches coaches with each other, can afford the courses and develop an overall style that suits the environment they work in ( Spain), which is then taken abroad and utilised everywhere.
Deal with the root causes and we'll get our coaches.























