I watched you say you disliked her because she made fun of a bride at a family wedding. With that comment you didn't bring up her opinion, you brought up her character. You did this in the same timeframe that you objected to her abortion opinion.
Now I didn't watch the full context of her making that comment about the bride (I've seen the clip) but I do have women who've married into my family that I thought were fairly awful people. While it's not my place to object and I support my family, I'm not suddenly going to be nice to them when they were divisively awful. So I can relate to disliking a bride and that is not a valid condemnation of her character unless you know the bride personally.
When you link a narrative like that (eluding to her being a mean girl) with criticizing their stance it turns into a personal attack. This is why, people believe you picked a fight with Powdur. This is a common thing leftists debaters do. Because they don't have stats and evidence to back up their opinions they attack the character of the person making the point. Hasan arguing 101.
Nobody is saying you can't have a different opinion, but be better than the leftists we mock. Show us some evidence, give us stats, get us on the same side as you. Tell us why it is our best interest to join you on your side of the issue.
Abortion is an issue that's been hotly contested for 60+ years with no agreement and I doubt there will be for either of our lifetimes. That is why I've encouraged to take baby steps towards lowering abortions with things that will be 80+ agreement viewpoints.
So I understand you hating the narrative that you picked a fight, but that is the reason many believe you did.
its not picking fights to talk about topics that matter to you
im so SICK of people accusing me of "picking a fight with powdur" about abortion. i spoke about what she said PUBLICLY about abortion and i PUBLICLY disagreed with her because the topic is IMPORTANT to me.
not once did i use a personal attack, not once did i say she should be cancelled or that people shouldn't enjoy her content. not once did i say everyone must be forced to agree with me either. yet these are talking points constantly parroted on twitter and so people take them as fact.
but apparently we aren't allowed to have conversations about important topics when its someone many other people in the space likes... or maybe its just me thats not allowed to disagree with people in the space on important topics, im not entirely sure yet.
as we are seeing right now, abortion is a BIG issue. people literally cannot speak on it without their entire careers being taken away.
and abortion is a topic that deserves to be discussed because it IS the murder of innocent children. im not going to mince words to risk not offending the delicate sensibilities of others.
so when people publicly share their thoughts on it, we are allowed to disagree and explain why we disagree. and if you cannot handle your opinions being criticized without any personal attacks whatsoever thrown upon you, id argue that you shouldn't be publicly sharing them in the first place.
Corrected a point I made with this post.
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I'd like to make a correction to something I posted earlier. I try to research but sometimes you can miss things.
Strawb did not mention her dislike for Powdur as part of her abortion take. Powdur brought up that she believed Strawb didn't like her over the wedding comment. So this was not a circumstance of Strawb using a personal attack to win an arguement.
I'd like to make a correction to something I posted earlier. I try to research but sometimes you can miss things.
Strawb did not mention her dislike for Powdur as part of her abortion take. Powdur brought up that she believed Strawb didn't like her over the wedding comment. So this was not a circumstance of Strawb using a personal attack to win an arguement.
I watched you say you disliked her because she made fun of a bride at a family wedding. With that comment you didn't bring up her opinion, you brought up her character. You did this in the same timeframe that you objected to her abortion opinion.
Now I didn't watch the full context of her making that comment about the bride (I've seen the clip) but I do have women who've married into my family that I thought were fairly awful people. While it's not my place to object and I support my family, I'm not suddenly going to be nice to them when they were divisively awful. So I can relate to disliking a bride and that is not a valid condemnation of her character unless you know the bride personally.
When you link a narrative like that (eluding to her being a mean girl) with criticizing their stance it turns into a personal attack. This is why, people believe you picked a fight with Powdur. This is a common thing leftists debaters do. Because they don't have stats and evidence to back up their opinions they attack the character of the person making the point. Hasan arguing 101.
Nobody is saying you can't have a different opinion, but be better than the leftists we mock. Show us some evidence, give us stats, get us on the same side as you. Tell us why it is our best interest to join you on your side of the issue.
Abortion is an issue that's been hotly contested for 60+ years with no agreement and I doubt there will be for either of our lifetimes. That is why I've encouraged to take baby steps towards lowering abortions with things that will be 80+ agreement viewpoints.
So I understand you hating the narrative that you picked a fight, but that is the reason many believe you did.
No. The answer is not to become the left.
Withholding services and payment is one of the best way to damage these companies. We've done A LOT of damage in the gaming industry.
The other best way is create a competing service or product that does the same thing that they do but better because it doesn't have leftist politics.
If you bully them out of relevance by genuinely giving people a good service you can completely remove them.
Make your own "games done quick", Esports, streamer awards and make it a better product without the wokeness. Replace the commiefornia cliques with legitimate choices and categories.
Stop complaining and do what we on the right do best, build something great. AI is available to help shortcut a lot of the work, we no longer have any excuse to not replace them. I believe in our ability to be productive and remove them from their positions. Band together and build our future.
tectone was right. people on the left don’t let things slide. they push and push and push until companies actually do something about it, and i think people on the right need to start doing the same.
we need to be louder, keep calling this behavior out for what it is, keep posting and talking about it, and keep putting pressure on these companies until something actually changes.
i’m tired of watching people do things that are clearly wrong, everyone gets upset for a day or two, and then we all just move on like nothing happened.
we need to stop letting things go so easily. if the left can make enough noise to get people removed over things they disagree with, we have to put that same energy into holding people accountable for their actions when they actually do something wrong.
You aren’t woke, just woke adjacent which is her point. You are implementing purity tests and being unforgiving for a perceived flaw.
Ember was put on a trial of your ‘purity’ based on a fictional book he wrote (which we all mock the left for not knowing the difference between reality and fiction) and normal X post banter in a discord chat room (which other men could access).
You can claim ‘but he lied’ but everyone does. If you don’t want to be compared to the left you can’t be small-minded and have 1d thinking. What is the context of the gender omission? Men can’t succeed in vtubing or painted with a stigma for being a male streamer. Don’t you complain about men not being hired based on gender from DEI? Are you just gatekeeping men from a job yourself?
Not having nuance. Misrepresenting the other side. Not looking at the whole of what Ember promotes and focusing narrowly on one flaw, that’s what horseshoing you into a reflection of the left.
Right message (mostly)… horrible messenger.
Why is it the guy that was dividing us says this? Why doesn’t he at least have self awareness to at apologize to Ember first? Why is the guy that fully supported Strawb and ignored all the times she’s picked fights with other creators on the right (like Powdur) the one to ask for unity?
This reminds me of the times Matt Walsh shits on gaming, anime and manga then posts out the next day that the right needs to be unified. It just reeks as a self serving shield to avoid criticism and for us to ignore the people that were dividing us in the first place.
Tectone calls for the Right to unite and stop infighting
"I want to speak straight to you. Do you feel it? Do you feel that anger, that betrayal, the vitriol coursing through your body, the despair, the pain? I want you to remember this."
"You can either fight it or use it to your advantage. We can no longer argue over the 5, 10, 15%. We must unite more than ever. You must get behind the people who are pushing the important changes that need to be done to America."
"I warned everybody. I’ve been saying this for months. You are not angry enough. We are not united enough. We cannot be noble and turn the other cheek, because if we do that, we’re just going to get punched in the face."
"We must beat them at their own game. We must collect and unite now more than ever. Because if we don’t, this is never going to stop."
"Every single member of the right needs to stop infighting. By infighting, I mean over slight disagreements in politics. If you are majority aligned, that is all that matters."
"You can still call out people for being fucking creeps. You’re not going to turn a blind eye to people being perverts. But we need to unite now more than ever."
Pippa likes Kirsche but she has subtly hinted that they can’t have someone openly political in the company. She conveyed this last year before Kirsche spent time at Pippa’s home (so obviously they are still friends).
The problem with Kirsche joining is that her stances would become the company’s stance. If you look at the massive drama both Clara brought with her private account spurge outs and Jelly brought with her milk toast opinion on Minecraft, she’s obviously right.
She’s been very upfront with wanting the best for the company and that includes all the talent within it. As one of their top earners it’s clear she feels a sense of responsibility to them.
Phase have talents who have both political spectrums within their talent pool and they stfu about their political opinions for the best interest in the company.
Opening that door loses you the opposing audience, so they stay apolitical while softly admitting to having similar stances on what they know their audience also view. Like “modern games suck” or “fuck playstation” which are easy we all agree takes.
Every time I see Tomoe get harassed, I get the parasocial urge to give that girl a hug and headpats. She doesn’t deserve it. She doesn’t get into politics (she can’t even do it legally), and signed up to risk her life so we can sit at home and not worry about foreign nations ending our lives. Not a lot of people volunteer to take that risk.
If you are one of those weird freaks out there that has the urge to harass Tomoe, let me help you with something. Every time you harass her you make us want to support her more. You are extending her reach. We will appreciate her even more, because you add to her burden. If you truly hate her so much, your greatest weapon is to mute and ignore her. Every time you go after her it just rallies us to her cause and grows her influence. Let the girl entertain people in her own space on the internet, both for her best interest and your own.
There are far more constructive and beneficial things you could do to help yourselves than spreading hate on the internet. There are so many things you could learn, experience, or discover. If your sole goal is to take others down when are you going to find time to build yourself up and make yourself happy. What are you actually accomplishing? A race to the bottom where everyone’s miserable?
One of the greatest revenges you can have to an enemy is to have a more prosperous, more fulfilling, and happier life than them in which they will resent you with envy.
Powdur has the amazing power to one-shot anyone dur comes into contact with. I’m so envious. If only I could harness a fraction of her power.
I thought we were done with this? But I don’t really like rewriting the narrative to soften the actions retroactively. Tectone 8 days later finally says that he doesn’t want Ember deplatformed.
Strawb claims she didn’t want him cancelled but used his fictional book and reddit posts to painted him as a transgender pervert trying to abuse Grace and Celestium. That might not have been Strawb’s intention (this is heavily steelmaning her side) but when someone presents evidence together with a link, people will process it with that narrative. Doesn’t help when Grace painted the narrative of mundane conversation with memes and jokes as of non-consensual sexualization of her through the conversation. Many from the outside looking in would make a realistic connection and wonder (or outright assume) Strawb brought this information to her prior to revealing publicly, collaborating this narrative. It’s possible this didn’t happen but it might be the first vtuber cancellation that didn’t, if true.
This is why it should have done more tactfully behind DMs. To Strawb and Tectone’s audience who doesn’t believe it could be handled with tact, let me offer the message Strawb could have DMed that would have easily solved this. Obviously this could be done in many different ways but this is just 1 example:
“In 2 hours I’m going to be going live on my channel to stream. I know you are male and have evidence that proves it from multiple sources. While you may not be hiding your gender maliciously, I can’t in good conscience not have this made publicly in case that it would. I don’t want to be responsible for anyone who could become a victim to this knowledge being hidden when I could have prevented it. You have until I start my stream to reveal your gender on your own. I will not be delaying this stream for any reason. You will have my praise if you do the right thing and admit this on your own. And if you don’t I will not hold anything back”
This would set clear boundaries, give prior notice, and likely would have went well for everyone involved. Ember probably would have posted on X and later done a stream talking about it. No one would have been an enemy. Strawb would have been justified had he not come clean in those 2 hours as he demonstrated an unwillingness to be honest when given an opportunity to do so. In fact it would have been more damning to Ember since she took steps to reveal the information himself.
Strawb, if you didn’t want to cancel him then you absolutely owe Ember an apology, because your actions did. You took evidence, built a case, and set a narrative. The only difference was it was on your stream rather than a google dockey. Go look at every google dockey that mentally unwell people post and compare it to your stream. It’s not a flattering comparison.
Replying to @Tectone
people who thought i wanted him totally cancelled and/or deplatformed were not really listening to me.
i might not understand certain things but thats okay, its not my place to understand everything all the time.
i said multiple times that people are obviously allowed to still like his content, that was never the point.
im just glad people know the truth now, including people i care about that are closer to him.
See the game and notice the deception. In this poll you either agree with him or you take an indefensible position. What makes it a grift or clout chasing is the execution.
Are they vetted? What is the format? Are you going to let each other talk and answer each other’s questions in good faith? This is the difference between grifting to an audience and having a conversation.
There’s a lot of bad faith execution you can do with someone who disagrees with you. One of the biggest reasons things like “change my mind” by Stephen Crowder is recorded instead of live is people would come up to the mic and grandstand or not want to have a conversation. They wanted to do stupid shit like read a poem about how Charlie Kirk got killed.
If you watch Stephen’s debate with a Havard professor (which he destroyed) the professor would talk in platitudes, tell stories, talk slowly, and intentionally try to avoid answering the questions made. To me this is also grifting.
From what I’ve seen from TT he doesn’t have the ability to have good faith conversation so him specifically would be grifting or clout chasing. He usually takes the low road every time.
Rest In Piss
"In memorium of one of the dumbest internet cancellations"
With the viral cancellation of Ember finally dropping from trending and people have already stated their cases a wrap up is in order.
Tectone has grifted another 10k subscribers on youtube for his bandwagon performance. At least we're less likely to be exposed to another bathtub stream.
DarlingStrawb in "exposing" Ember with no actual evidence of mistreatment has both gained and lost 1k subscribers. Meaning she replaced 1k subscribers with 1k performative virtue button slappers. Her viewership post allegations are roughly the same. It's worth noting her views are considerably less than normal viewership for an account her size.
Revsaysdesu has lost 1k subscribers from his wife and his viewership is declining. He also skipped a day worth of videos to avoid being dislike bombed during the height of the controversy. He claimed he had a hurt tummy on that day so I guess this incident was harmful to his health. He did actually cover the Ember incident was is abnormal for him to address his wife's X drama. He ended up dedicating a segment for it after all.
Ember in the last 14 days has lost 3k subscribers. This loss did not come in 1 big chunk, but it small doses. The largest drop came from the exposure of being male 1.7k. The second highest chunk 800 came on the day of the Triggerpoint clip from his CalebHammer react. I predict a 20% viewership drop for his channel.
MariaGraceVT has gain 230 subscribers during this controversy but hasn't streamed or dropped a video since talking about the situation. It's unlikely there will be any different viewership.
In the end this sucked all around and is a cautionary tale to mean girls that want to drama farm. It will not help you, it will only create enemies, and people unwilling to associate with you so they can avoid your next hit piece.
I genuinely appreciate and respect Kirsche, but sometimes she has these types of takes that bomb with me. Mostly due to the fact she's vague posting and isn't making her concern known. Because she doesn't state clearly what she means, so everyone feels like she may have taken a shot at them (especially post Ember drama).
Now, because she's being open-ended I won't decoder ring her words and put my interpretation in her mouth. Instead I will state my principles which I think a majority of us share.
"We want people to be free to write and read what they want. We don't want propagandized and agenda driven media to be platformed subversively. We don't want propaganda to infiltrate our culture (existing IPs or anime for example) and take it over. This includes both leftist ideology and Christian/religious ideology."
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I've never EVER heard the term "babiniku" in the 4+ years I've been watching vtubers.
I remember hearing Kirsche bring it up for the first time as a "should have just used the term stupid" framing. Why the fuck would people have a code term for "has a penis irl" normally?
People barely look at profiles. You expect them to scout for hidden penises now too? Decode babiniku get a prize... and not the one you want.
Profile minesweeper
Just going to post some final remarks on Ember/Strawb thing since it's basically wrapped up.
One of the biggest narratives that felt hollow is the victim narrative of the girls. Maria mentioned Ember "being like a mom" and how in hindsight it makes her feel icky due to his fetishes.
But the truth is rarely people Maria's size collab with people at Ember's size. The reason why it might have felt like he was "being a mom" because he was the senpai with 5x the ccv/followers trying to give her pointers and encouragement. Ember had solid CCV for his channel size.
He gained 30k subs over a year while Maria's subscriber count had plateau'd over the past few months. Why wouldn't he try to keep Maria positive and encourage her to try different things if he was being a good friend?
Many times on Sidescrollers Ember would watch the liveshow in support and make up AI videos for show guest who didn't have a video.1/3 of the videos they have for the guests are Leaflit, 1/3 is Ember and the last amount fans of they made themselves. Just like Leaflit, he did it unprompted just to help out.
Funny enough the show started doing guest AI "prancing or dancing" videos because Strawb was a moody prude about bouncing boobs being the shows reward for donos.
But in the end Strawb convinced Maria that all those words of support and probable kindness was just him sexualizing her somehow. While that Caleb Hammer clip is a dealbreaker for me, I haven't flipped on the victim narrative.
Unless a mega nuke of drops I don't see the Ember drama continuing beyond what has already been released, and it seems clear everyone has picked their stances on it with little give on the subject.
As such I can only really see it continuing from those refusing to drop it moving forward - so i am going to give a quick summery of my thoughts and move on from the subject:
Ember is exposed as a good person; who simply let one poor choice continue for longer then it needed.
@darlingstrawbie usurped the Girls and Ember's agency by bringing it to the public light creating a domino of broken emotions - when things could have been handled privately. That is on Strawb entirely.
The emotions of betrayal anyone feels towards Ember is also valid. And that is on Ember for not being more transparent with them.
I still think overall if Strawb had realized her views on ember did not take priority over the feelings the truth would most hurt; things could have gone differently.
Assuming someone is going to lie then acting based on that unproven assumption is a poor excuse and literally a baseless foundation to act off of. If Strawb had gone to Ember and simply said 'Hey I believe you are a guy and this is why- *presents evidence*'. Then you could say you tried and no one would have hounded you for going public- (well not as much anyway.)
Did you owe Ember a private conversation? No. Did you owe it to your friends who this would affect to at least try a DM? well if you wanted to be the one to handle it - then yes. If not - then you shouldn't have gone public to start with.
But i myself firmly believe Ember would have admitted it. Ember could have had the chance themselves to right their wrong. But Strawb robbed any chance of that. Any chance of a healthier outcome for both Ember and the girls effected.
@MommaOcco_ worded it best "I thought, based off the amount of times that so many of these other people where cancelled, that they would have poured some of that Grace to somebody that was one of their biggest cheerleaders."
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PS: The book doesnt matter. It's fiction; move on.
While some are operating under misinformation or delusion, a most are rightly criticizing Strawb on 2 fronts
First is the protection or pass she gets from people she’s linked to like Rev and Tectone. Because she goes unpunished and not scolded, resentment grows. Punishment and penance helps cleanse peoples anger towards someone. By being unpunished this continues to snowball.
Second is her frequent leftist-like conflicts both over hot button topics like pro-feminist (Christian) censorship, indoctrinating (Christian hobby insertion) propaganda, and cancelation-esc (tactics)criticism for Powder previously (over abortion stances) and Ember now.
Yes, people have lives, or don’t want to dedicate the time to getting all the facts straight. They are not deranged to see a pattern already and not care to get their facts straight on the 3rd or 4th transgression. This is a pattern created by reputation. They are so tired of her they just assume anything mean said about Strawb is accurate.
If we hear the crying leftist cry 66 times we don’t care to get the facts straight on 67, 68, or 69. We assumed their character already and dedicate our time to more important things.
People don’t have SDS… they have Strawb fatigue.


















