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Before wrong time in any of this, just know there is no valid reason to trust the Quran
That's against what your Quran states. There is not one single ayat that says the Kitab of the Christians & Jews is corrupted. Not even one.
2:79? It's about a new book that was written, and not the text the Jews had in the 7th century (see 2:41 & 2:85). No textual corruption.
Sometimes you guys try 2:75, but it too has no mention of text.
3:78 & 4:46 are a common one you guys misinterpret. Both state the people of the book twist the words 𝙬𝙞𝙩𝙝 𝙩𝙝𝙚𝙞𝙧 𝙩𝙤𝙣𝙜𝙪𝙚𝙨. That's about teaching and interpretation. No textual corruption.
Last one you guys have is 5:13. If you read the context from 5:1-12 you will find that it's talking about contracts. Your early scholars like Ibn Kathir state it refers to the Covenant of Sinai for the Jews, and the covenant Christians in Arabia made with Muhammad. Not a single reference to the kitab of the Christians & Jews. No textual corruption.
And that's it. That's ALL you have.
The Quran instead claims to fully confirm the kitab of the Christians & Jews.
Ayah 2:85 states the Jews must obey the 𝙛𝙪𝙡𝙡 𝙏𝙤𝙧𝙖𝙝 and not just parts, impossible if there is corruption. This is full confirmation.
In 5:43-48 the Quran establishes that the kitab of the Christians and Jews is every bit as authoritative as Muhammad's divine judgements, even claiming to be the guardian protector of it.
That is 100% 𝙛𝙪𝙡𝙡 𝙘𝙤𝙣𝙛𝙞𝙧𝙢𝙖𝙩𝙞𝙤𝙣 of what Christians & Jews held "between their hands" in the 7th century AD. Guess what? That's the same one we have today.
If the Bible is TRUE the Quran is FALSE for contradicting it.
If the Bible is FALSE the Quran is FALSE for claiming to fully confirm it. Either way the Quran is FALSE. ✝️😎
Jovian and @SioSasy That's against what your Quran states. There is not one single ayat that says the Kitab of the Christians & Jews is corrupted.
Not even one.
2:79? It's about a new book that was written, and not the text the Jews had in the 7th century (see 2:41 & 2:85). No textual corruption.
Sometimes you guys try 2:75, but it too has no mention of text.
3:78 & 4:46 are a common one you guys misinterpret. Both state the people of the book twist the words 𝙬𝙞𝙩𝙝 𝙩𝙝𝙚𝙞𝙧 𝙩𝙤𝙣𝙜𝙪𝙚𝙨. That's about teaching and interpretation. No textual corruption.
Last one you guys have is 5:13. If you read the context from 5:1-12 you will find that it's talking about contracts. Your early scholars like Ibn Kathir state it refers to the Covenant of Sinai for the Jews, and the covenant Christians in Arabia made with Muhammad. Not a single reference to the kitab of the Christians & Jews.
And that's it. That's ALL you have. The Quran instead claims to fully confirm the kitab of the Christians & Jews.
Ayah 2:85 states the Jews must obey the 𝙛𝙪𝙡𝙡 𝙏𝙤𝙧𝙖𝙝 and not just parts, impossible if there is corruption. This is full confirmation.
In 5:43-48 the Quran establishes that the kitab of the Christians and Jews is every bit as authoritative as Muhammad's divine judgements, even claiming to be the guardian protector of it.
That is 100% 𝙛𝙪𝙡𝙡 𝙘𝙤𝙣𝙛𝙞𝙧𝙢𝙖𝙩𝙞𝙤𝙣 of what Christians & Jews held "between their hands" in the 7th century AD. Guess what? That's the same one we have today.
If the Bible is TRUE the Quran is FALSE for contradicting it.
If the Bible is FALSE the Quran is FALSE for claiming to fully confirm it.
Either way the Quran is FALSE.
Your genetic fallacy is rejected. The sources at the bottom of the article show the scholarly documentation.
No matter which way you package it, Islam is a violent hateful religion that belongs on the ash heap of history.
There is no valid reason to trust the Quran
Oooh a fun little hateful one. Hope entertaining.
Your tu quoque fallacy is rejected.
Feel free to insult Christianity. You're only fulfilling actual scripture (Matthew 5:11-12), and Islam is STILL societal cancer. Everything Islam INFECTS turns to trash.
There is no valid reason to trust the Quran. Not a single one. Crack that problem, mmm'kay habibi?
I've used this argument too. Slimmies have NO RESPONSE. Their puny god is trapped in the night side of the planet. Their tiny rat god is subject to his own alleged creation.
The Allah of the Quran must submit to creation. He's not the YHWH of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
There is no valid reason to trust the Quran
I've used this argument too. Slimmies have NO RESPONSE. Their puny god is trapped in the night side of the planet. Their tiny rat god is subject to his own alleged creation.
The Allah of the Quran must submit to creation. He's not the YHWH of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
There is no valid reason to trust the Quran
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Muslims just don't get it. They're so quick to cry about pork being haram that they blindly miss that camel is also unclean according to the covenant law they claim to follow. It's literally THREE VERSES earlier in the same chapter of Leviticus.
In the Quran it says to eat camel meat. How do Muslims reconcile this? They say Allah "abrogated" it.
It just so happens Allah Yasu al-Masih (Jesus Christ) abrogated the dietary laws in Mark 7:19. Surah 22:36, line all the Quran, is entirely unnecessary.
The truth about Jesus Christ is found in the kitab is the Christians & Jews, the Bible. There is no valid reason to trust the Quran.
It makes sense. You already hate the true Jesus. If you hate us it's only because you hated him first.
Repent and turn from your stenographer false religion.
There is no salvation in Islam.
There is no valid reason to trust the Quran
Two reasons why your imbecilic argument FAILS:
1. Muhammad is called the perfect moral example FOR ALL TIME. That means his morality is non-temporal.
If his pedophilia was morally good back then, Muslims MUST believe it's morally good today.
If Muhammad's pedophilia is morally WRONG today, Muslims MUST believe it was wrong then too, and therefore CONDEMN his crimes.
2. The Bible never gives the ages of Rebecca or Mary. The words used for both women indicate they were much order.
Claim that Rebecca was 3 is based on a flawed interpretation by Rabbi Rashib in the middle ages, which was contested by his contemporaries. Why he's wrong is because he misinterpreted Genesis 22:23 thinking it was a birth announcement for Rebecca. That however is objectively wrong. See attached image.
Claim that Mary was 12 is based on a late 2nd century forgery called the Protoeuangelion of James. Why this also is fails is because in that forgery Mary gives birth at 16 and remained a VIRGIN FOR THE REST OF HER LIFE. Your own source refutes your bad argument.
Muhammad was a criminal pedophile. Just that simple.
"Progressive Christianity" isn't Christianity.
Over on 🧵 this one tried to challenge me. My response to her 👇
It's not the answer I "𝘄𝗮𝗻𝘁". It's the εὐαγγέλιον Jesus taught. Tell me, in mathematics which number comes before the other: 3 or 15?
I only ask because you mentioned John 15, and last I checked John 3 comes before that, which marks the 𝙗𝙚𝙜𝙞𝙣𝙣𝙞𝙣𝙜 of Jesus' ministry. What does Jesus say at the 𝙗𝙚𝙜𝙞𝙣𝙣𝙞𝙣𝙜? You must be 𝘣𝘰𝘳𝘯 𝘢𝘨𝘢𝘪𝘯.
Maybe that's just Gospel of John though. 🤔🤔
In Matthew 4:17 the earliest ministry statement he made was "𝗿𝗲𝗽𝗲𝗻𝘁 for the kingdom of heaven is at hand".
Mark 1:15 says the same thing, "repent".
Luke 5:32 says that he had come to call sinners to repentance.
So.....yeah I guess.🤷🏼♂️
The Gospel message is belief in Jesus, repentance, transformation, forgiveness, and eternal life in Jesus. THAT is the answer to the question. It's not my interpretation.
It's what Jesus taught.
It is the εὐαγγέλιον.
It is the Gospel.
