Cliodynamics, Social and Cultural Evolution Project Leader, Complexity Science Hub, Vienna Blog: https://xitter.cf/t.co/evOf8vxvUJ

Vienna and Connecticut
Joined March 2013
My new book: The Great Holocene Transformation: What Complexity Science Tells Us about the Evolution of Complex Societies api.omarshehata.me/substack-…
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In french, we say: « Ce livre tombe à point nommé. »
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@adamtaggart this is exactly what @Peter_Turchin describes as a catalyst for revolution- overproduction of elites
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+ overproduction of credentialed youth
Pretty funny to see everyone blame this (rightly condemned, to be clear) on whatever their political bogeyman is: I've just seen people say that this is because of, take your pick, "communism," "Islamism," "third worldism," "Russia," and "China". As if France needed any outside help to riot... Maybe some people need to brush up on our history, or read Victor Hugo's "Les Misérables"... This isn't to romanticize the rioters in the least. A reminder that in Les Misérables there's the figure of Thénardier, a horrendous scoundrel who exploits the chaos around him, robbing corpses and fleecing anyone he can. Every chaotic moment in French history has its share of Thénardiers, and this one is no exception. It's just too easy, and actually useful to those in power, to blame this on outside forces. At the end of the day, this anger was made in France, is happening in France, and can only be solved in France. And, as painful as it is to hear, if one studies history, this is pretty much exactly what's expected at the stage France is at. People have studied this. Whether you take Ray Dalio’s six-stage cycle theory, Peter Turchin’s "elite overproduction" thesis or the Chinese dynastic cycle framework, they all come to the same conclusion: when debt piles up, public services crumble and those in power become incapable, the streets eventually explode. In fact it's almost eerie how France ticks almost every box of most cycle theories: - Fiscal distress (debt is 119% of GDP and we now pay more to borrow than Italy or Greece), - Crumbling public services: a reminder that these protests (now turning into riots) started with high school students protesting over the state of education - Political paralysis and a legitimacy crisis (Macron has an insane 82% disapproval rate, he's definitely lost the Mandate of Heaven...) - Popular immiseration with a record poverty rate at 15.4% and a median wage at only €2,190 net per month for a full-time private sector employee (you can't even afford to rent a decent flat in any major French city with this) "Third worldism" or "Islamism" isn't the cause of any of this: French governments didn't borrow like there's no tomorrow (the last balanced budget dates back to 1974!) because the "Muslim Brotherhood" told them to, and it wasn’t Putin or Xi who left French classrooms without teachers... Sadly the reactions - scapegoating - are ALSO typical of this stage of the cycle: Dalio lists among the classic markers of Stage 5 the emergence of "scapegoat classes who are commonly believed to be the source of the problems" (linkedin.com/pulse/delving-s…), alongside a "loss of truth in the public domain," with people more interested in hunting for culprits than looking for solutions. So what is the solution? Well, the way the Chinese dealt with it was basically a reset - regime-changing themselves with a new dynasty claiming the Mandate of Heaven, usually after decades of rebellion and war. Not exactly a hopeful prospect... There is also the exception where a dynasty managed what the Chinese call a 中兴 (zhōngxīng, "restoration"): profound reform from within before the whole house came down. It succeeded a few times (e.g. the Tongzhi restoration during the Qing dynasty) but usually could only buy a few more decades, rarely more. In 1945, the writer Huang Yanpei famously asked Mao how to break free of the cycle (cn.vlex.com/vid/constitution…), framing it in those terms: "People are careful and hard-working at first, for bold measures are the only possible ways to break through difficult conditions. But when things gradually get better, people begin slacking off: laziness may spread through a long history and is impossible to be corrected when it becomes a common practice. Gradually expanded territory requires corresponding increases in talent, but when the latter is insufficient, the central control will become weak. In a word, no one can escape the 'vicious cycle' of dynastic rise and collapse." Mao replied that democracy was the answer, because "as long as the people can supervise the government, the government dare not slacken." And Xi later added a "second answer" (chinadailyhk.com/hk/article/…): a system capable of "resolute self-reform". The jury is still out on whether China has broken the cycle, but if France has any hope of escaping it, it will need both answers at once: a government that truly answers to its people, and very resolute self-reform. One thing the answer definitely isn’t: turning on each other. In all these cycle theories, division and scapegoating appear on the way down, never on the way back up.
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Elle en fera des caisses DES CAISSES @Peter_Turchin @lecherchemidi
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I’m digging into @Peter_Turchin’s book. I like what I am reading. A good combination of theory and empirics. Some interesting new data. My usual temporal focus is the past 200 years or so. So, a sweeping overview of the past 11,700 years broadens my thinking.
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One of the most sensible explanations of what's happening right now (regarding AI, agents, conflicting commentary that you read on this site, etc.) from someone in a position to know.
Dusting off this tweet from April because this gap in shared understanding of LLM capability is *widening*. It's now less "two groups of people speaking past each other" and more a sharp funnel. - Napkin math somewhere around 6B people (~75% of the population) have barely come in contact with LLMs at all. - Around 1-2B (~20%) are casual and infrequent users of free-tier ChatGPT-like products. This group sees derpy chatbots and treats them a bit like a better Google search, a writing aid, or etc. Maybe an agent tries to book you a flight. I have non-tech friends who (reasonably, imo) say they have not much use for it at all. Even many professionals outside of math&code are in this tier. For example, execs and many other functions spend a lot of their time talking to other people, so while they understand what is happening intellectually, it is still second-hand and a bit abstract. - Now we get to professional use of frontier-grade LLMs in math&code. Somewhere around 20M people (0.2%) see first-hand that large, complex projects that used to take them weeks/months can now be completed by agents with a prompt. Building apps, copying apps, translating apps, decompiling apps from binaries... This has all happened very quickly and recently - less than 1 year ago, I was writing code manually by hand, typing memorized computer code commands into a code editor character by character, occasionally pressing Tab to autocomplete a little chunk of code. - And finally we get to the ~5,000 people (~0.00006%) with access to frontier-grade systems internally. The external world has seen the preview. It looks like swarms of thousands of agents collaborating over weeks on software mega projects: minting zero days, running cyber attacks and defenses at machine speeds, discovering new science, advancing the frontier of mathematics. Things that would have taken top professionals in the industry years of work. Meanwhile, human review and comprehension are starting to fall behind. For example, people are still involved in the "archeology" of the OpenAI-HF incident from many months ago. Mathematicians may be poring over the 722 manuscripts on frontier mathematics for a while. The funnel is driven by a combination of factors: 1. The impact scales with ambition, problem size, and horizon. A question with a paragraph answer barely stresses the system. You need a reservoir of big, difficult problems that you really care about. This aspect drives the consumer / professional dimension of the funnel. 2. The jaggedness of the system (which I have written about a lot separately). Capability peaks in domains that are digital, verifiable and economically valuable. This is because LLM capability emerges from reinforcement learning on verifiable rewards on a curated environment mixture driven by revenue potential. This aspect primarily drives the area (e.g. math&code) dimension of the funnel. 3. Access. Free-tier, paid-tier, internal. So this is the weirdness of the moment. The general public has mostly not interacted with these systems. When they have, it looks like a derpy chatbot. The majority of professionals still see only a modest uplift. And a small sliver of professionals are experiencing the vertigo of the curve going vertical. And it is all happening at the same time.
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Coucou qui c'est qui revient ? C'est @Peter_Turchin au @lecherchemidi Sortie le 22 octobre 🚨
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In my terminology it's New Left vs. PaleoLeft. But I like yours, too.
RED LEFT VS WHITE LEFT I’ve always been kind of confused by the derogatory term “baizhuo” literally meaning “white left” in Chinese. Now I think I’m getting it. “White left” is the left of the west. It’s what I kind of think of as left because I grew up in the west. Pro-LGBT, feminist, soft-on-drugs, soft-on-crime, anti the dominant religion but fiercely protective of religious minorities, chooses environmentalism over growth. On economic issues they are pro-egalitarianism but favors welfarism, rent control, unionization to level out inequality. Very passionate about free speech, human rights and other causes of progressivism. The left of China, which I will call “red left” in differentiation so we don’t end up in argument about what is the true left, is completely different. At best they will see identitarian issues as time-wasting culture wars and at worst they may be actively hostile to sexual minorities and those who indulge in substances even as soft as marijuana. The religious are viewed with extreme suspicion. They are materialists and I think the clearest point is on feminism. They are very feminist in encouraging participation of women in the workforce but the moment it becomes a question of identity they are against it. On environmental matters they are for it but only after a certain amount of wealth has been reached. On the tools of the white left to achieve egalitarianism they are scornful. To them those are half-measures that allow the entrenched imperialist-capitalist structure to stay in place while placating the masses with creature comforts. The red left has boundless contempt for the white left because they think the white left took its eyes off the ball and may have been psyoped into ineffectiveness. The white left might look at the red left and say that they are not left at all anymore but almost indistinguishable from fascists since they embrace nationalism and exceedingly competitive markets and conformity. They have become what it is they hated one compromise at a time. The red left’s critique is about the white left getting libbed out and forgetting about securing the bag. The white left said the red left has forgotten about the fundamental importance of dismantling power structures to emancipate the people and ultimately put themselves under another yoke. Each thinks the other has been tricked into abandoning the true struggle.
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Some notes on my situation in Latvia: What I am observing at the moment is a threat of very severe extrajudicial punishment for speaking my mind and providing original opinions and analysis. The reason they opt for persona non grata status is the desire to deny me justice in the court system where the case - as senior politicians involved in attacking openly admit - won’t hold water. This is why I interpret the situation as an instance of political persecution. The threat is accompanied with a character assassination campaign involving far right infowar and fake news outfits which deliberately distort my views on the conflict. The goal of the attack is to destroy my life and to put a gag on me as a notable voice in public debate on the Russo-Ukranian war.
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Yes, on metaethnic frontiers.
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Haven't read yet, but can a new civilization be born our of an old one? I think the answer is yes.
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Excellent essay. It's not what you know, it's who you know.
The elites of Victorian Britain got up late, drank ceaselessly, worked short hours, partied through the night, and knew nothing about science, technology or engineering. And yet, by their own lights, they were hugely effective. worksinprogress.co/issue/the… The Victorians are often held up as a model against the supposedly soft, feckless, humanities-educated elites of today. But I argue that the genius of their system may have been its drastic weighting towards soft skills, team-building and intra-elite networking: - A Victorian’s gentleman’s office hours typically began about 11am and finished about 5pm, including a multi-course lunch with wine. - Upper-class Victorians drank ceaselessly. Conduct guides recommended four or five glasses of wine at dinner *for married women*. Port was often served in pints. - Party culture was intense and nocturnal. Balls started at about 10pm, peaked after 1am, and continued till dawn. During the social season, bankers, judges and politicians might go to several balls per week. - Elite Victorians learnt almost no STEM at school or university. At least half of class time was given over to ancient languages, often as much as 80 percent. One leading educationalist remarked that it was not worth teaching science to gentlemen because it does not involve ‘continued reasoning’. - Sports and character formation were valued far above transmitting facts. A top headmaster described his school’s priorities as ‘First – character, second – physique, third – intelligence, fourth – manners, fifth – information’. This cannot have made elite Victorians more productive individually, but maybe the dense social and emotional network it created helped them to work as a sort of extended team. Perhaps we should think again about what makes groups of people effective.
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Higher education is facing a serious crisis. Enrollment is starting to crater. The public has lost faith in the value of our institution. Business as usual is not an option.
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< " For European functional elites, subordination to the U.S. command layer is possibly understood as the price of survival. " > * Nel Bonilla on NATO 3.0. worldlinesletter.substack.co… Here an excerpt from the beginning: "The Joint Imperial Class Project "At a structural level, NATO 3.0 is a collaborative survival strategy managed by a transatlantic functional elite. While this was not always the case, European political and economic elites were steered in this direction over decades. Nowadays, both U.S. and European ruling strata recognize that their shared global leverage—the financial, technological, logistical, and military levers that make up the multi-layered cage—is under severe strain due to global shifts. For European functional elites, tying their states to the U.S. command layer is seen as the only viable mechanism to preserve the broader transatlantic capitalist order from which their own position and wealth derive. While I cannot pretend to know the inner workings of European functional elites, a distinct mix of psychological and ideological motivations can partially explain why they accept this burden-shifting so readily. These factors—which often exist in tandem, alongside implicit levers of political pressure and alignment—span a spectrum. On one end lies the cynical opportunism of functional managers who recognize where structural power resides; knowing their careers, status, and funding are tied to U.S. hegemony, they focus on managing the local node efficiently. On another lies existential panic, where leaders genuinely fear that any U.S. drawdown will leave Europe strategically naked, prompting them to over-perform compliance. Finally, there is a sincere civilizational belief rooted in the "garden versus jungle" paradigm. For these actors, preserving the multi-layered cage—even at the expense of domestic austerity and industrial decline—is rationalized as a necessary sacrifice to protect "Western civilization" from an emerging multipolar world. However, this dual-audience strategy should not be misunderstood as a simple story of U.S. coercion and European submission. Rather, it represents a joint project of the transatlantic ruling strata to preserve the remaining levers of their global power—the multi-layered cage—under conditions of systemic strain, most notably the rising sovereignty of Global Majority nations, which steadily closes off traditional avenues for Western capital accumulation and resource extraction. For European functional elites, subordination to the U.S. command layer is possibly understood as the price of survival. While their public rhetoric to domestic audiences leans heavily on “strategic autonomy” and the defense of European “values,” their operational posture toward Washington is one of eager utility: offering up European territory, infrastructure, and public budgets as a power-projection platform for the US-based core. Hence, this alignment is maintained through cynical calculation, yes, but also through an internalized ideology (one could say, a historically grown meta-ideology). These elites view the preservation of U.S. primacy as their safest bet. In doing so, they willingly transform their own states into high-burden, low-autonomy operational nodes within the transatlantic architecture."
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Artificial Scientists Are Not as Good as Human Scientists (Especially when humans work with machines) peterturchin.substack.com/p/…
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Generally not bad. But "beetle ecologist"? When in my ecological phase I studied, beetles, aphids, butterflies, voles, lemmings, and elk. But "beetle ecologist" sounds funnier than complexity scientist, I suppose. youtube.com/shorts/4xeuBJdsc…
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Actual question: what was the extent of “Pleistocene climate chaos” in Africa?
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