the government needs to be forcibly seizing man city fans’ chatgpt subscriptions IMMEDIATELY
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Surely the main issue with the PL’s "sham contract" ruling is that it relies heavily on internal spreadsheet tags ("ADUG Tagged") and selective internal emails rather than actual bank records. In the written decision, the Commission explicitly cited internal finance ledgers that categorized £830.69m in sponsorship revenue as "ADUG (Tagged Sums)", using those working notes and email fragments to infer a massive fraud. Yet, they never produced direct "upstream" bank statements from Abu Dhabi showing owner cash moving into Etihad to cover those wires. They chose circumstantial working notes over signed contracts, verified bank receipts, and audited accounts.
This exact evidentiary gap was highlighted back in the CAS award:
> "If only UEFA had sought to establish the payment flows underlying the Etihad sponsorship from the outset, or MCFC had chosen to provide them, this matter would not have had to be brought before CAS."
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When those primary bank statements were produced at CAS, the panel cleared us. Yet the PL Commission reached its guilty verdict by claiming we filed misstated accounts, relying on internal files while completely ignoring the co-signatory.
What makes the PL's position so legally fragile is that they declared these commercial deals a "sham" without ever contacting Etihad, interviewing their executives, or auditing their books. Our position on appeal is straightforward: overriding audited bank receipts using internal spreadsheets represents a material error of law and makes the verdict completely unsafe.
Etihad didn't provide their books earlier simply because the PL has zero jurisdiction over a foreign airline and no legal process existed for a third party to step into a private arbitration. Beyond that, no major company hands over private treasury files to a football regulator without being formally asked. But they can bring that evidence forward now on appeal because being labelled a front for fraud gives them clear legal standing to protect their brand, and English arbitration rules allow fresh third-party bank records to prove the panel’s inferences were unsafe.
Etihad has already proven their funding mechanics before—in 2015, they submitted a 60-page audit to the US Dept of Transportation disclosing $14.3bn in state equity while proving zero state money funded our sponsorship deal, which came out of their commercial budget.
If Etihad steps into this appeal process or challenges the PL with those audited accounts, the league faces catastrophic fallout. Both City and Etihad would have massive grounds to claim legal fees, commercial devaluation, and reputational damage. Any compensation awarded against the PL would come straight out of central revenues, directly cutting broadcast payouts for the other 19 clubs. Above all, bypassing a major international sponsor to declare a "sham" on circumstantial spreadsheets proves the league cannot fairly self-regulate, handing total authority to the UK Government's Independent Football Regulator.
isn’t it interesting how this secret source only seems to be giving their highly confidential information to nameless blue-tick twitter accounts based overseas that post literally hundreds of tweets a day in order to drive engagement. a total coincidence i’m sure.
Haha, so the secret source has been reaching out to almost every City fan. I thought I was the only one he contacted.
The claim he made here is accurate. City have been found guilty of 68 of the 115 charges, with a fine and points deduction reportedly under consideration, potentially bringing relegation into the conversation.
However, Manchester City have maintained their innocence and are prepared to fight the case legally. They are also reportedly prepared to demand a public apology and $1 billion in compensation from the Premier League.
No secret apology. That's my oil club. ❤️❤️😎
would be fascinated to know what these city fans think an equitable punishment actually looks like. city would bounce back from relegation and be challenging for the league again within a few years easily. how does that remotely fit the seriousness of the offence?
fans can react however they choose to. but if everything sticks at the end of the day, they are evaporating any chance of it not sticking to them as well. few will have the grace to still think the fans are innocent. they might not care about that right now, but they maybe should
city supporters (and, to a lesser extent, the players) are close to facing some of the harshest punishments this sport has ever seen for something none of us had any involvement in doing. if we want to wave inflatable bananas, do some rage bait chants, and self deprecate in response to that, we will.
this ISN’T a call for violins or (unwanted) sympathy for city supporters. it also isn’t a plea for you believe the club don’t ‘deserve’ punishment - if rules were broken, rules were broken. i’m also not here to tell you you can’t feel wronged by our board if their actions have wronged your club. not my place or intent to dictate your feelings.
what i am pointing out, though, is just because YOU want US to do this performative, depressive, grovelling and begging for forgiveness for something we, as fans or players, had NO involvement in, it doesn’t mean we should.
self deprication and resorting to humour and jokes is something city supporters have done for decades. we choose to respond to objectively naff situations (like facing threats of expulsion from the football pyramid) in this way, as is our right. hell, even after winning the treble we still chant about never winning home or away and losing last week as well as today ffs.
you don’t have to like it. but if believe we should pack in something that’s become a staple trait of city supporters just because it doesn’t align with your world view or moral compass that you think is gospel, then respectfully you really need to give your head a wobble🍌
assuming city are found bang to rights after appeal - and the evidence comes out to show all that - fans will try naturally to separate themselves from the owners by saying ‘we didn’t know’. but for many, we’re seeing right now that it’ll be ‘we didn’t know, and we didn’t care’.
how funny would it be if all the king’s horses and all the king’s men COULD put humpty dumpty together again? would you come back here and say you were wrong?
Replying to @PhantomGoal
How funny would it be if this all ended up coming true? Would you come back here and say you were wrong?
it is genuinely quite sad that fans are being sold this absolute fantasy. none of this has any remote basis in reality, and is so clearly the output of an AI prompt to try and placate fans who don’t know any better. i genuinely almost feel sorry for you for believing this.
An insight into City’s legal strategy on 114.
City have recently recruited Mark Howard described as a “super silk” a term used for a highly distinguished King’s Counsel (KC). He joins a legal team that includes Lord David Pannick KC, who has led City’s defence in the long-running case.
What follows is where the legal battle appears to stand between City, Etihad, and the Premier League following the Independent Commission’s verdict.
1. The Snook Trap: How the PL Committed a Massive Legal Error
Under English law (Snook precedent), to declare a contract a "sham," you have to prove both parties intended to deceive. The PL’s three KCs found City guilty of fraud via "adverse inferences" because City refused to turn over Etihad’s books. But here’s the catch: the PL never once interviewed Etihad or audited their banking records. They effectively shifted the burden of proof to City to prove a negative, which is legal quicksand in a real court.
1. Why Pannick Left Etihad Out of the Initial Tribunal
It looks like a deliberate tactical play by Lord Pannick KC.
By keeping Etihad as a "non-party," the PL’s tribunal made definitive findings of corporate fraud against a multi-billion-dollar global airline without ever giving them a Right to Reply (Audi alteram partem).
Bringing Etihad in earlier would have subjected them to massive, un-secure disclosure pools vulnerable to the PL's historic mainstream media leaks.
1. Etihad’s High Court "Nuclear Option"
Because Etihad is a separate corporate entity and not a PL member, they aren’t bound by football arbitration rules. Etihad’s threat to sue the PL for commercial defamation in the English High Court completely upends the case:
Strict Confidentiality Rings: In a real court, Etihad can safely hand over verified Abu Dhabi bank routing records and independent audits under judge-supervised security—completely shielded from leaks to rival clubs.
Destroying the "Spoofed Payments" Theory: Once a High Court judge validates that the sponsorship funds came entirely from Etihad’s own commercial revenue, the PL’s "sham contract" ruling is legally dead. City can then port that judicially stamped proof directly into the football appeal.
1. The "Prosecutorial" Panel and Fallback Findings
Did the three KCs act impartially? It’s highly debatable. By reverse-engineering the judgment with "backup charges" (like non-cooperation and acting in bad faith), they tried to make the verdict appeal-proof. But if Pannick proves the primary "sham" ruling was built on an unlawful legal process, the secondary fallback findings logically collapse with it.
1. CAS vs. The "Kangaroo" Football Tribunal
The PL deliberately ignored the 2020 CAS verdict (which cleared City of hiding equity funding) by exploiting the fact that the domestic PL rulebook has no statute of limitations. They used lower evidential standards to bypass the supreme court of world sport. Pannick will aggressively argue on appeal that ignoring a definitive CAS ruling on the exact same contracts constitutes an abuse of process.
1. Geopolitical Fallout: UAE Threats & Whitehall Frustration
It’s now spilling into international diplomacy. Emirati officials have reportedly warned the UK Government that the severity of the ruling directly threatens a £30 billion UK-UAE investment pipeline, clouding an upcoming London investment summit. UK officials are furious because they are facing massive economic pressure from a foreign state over a private sports tribunal that the government has zero constitutional power to interfere with.
The Bottom Line: Pannick is executing a brilliant multi-front counter-offensive. By stalling the compressed PL appeal timeline and letting Etihad loose in the High Court, he is forcing the Premier League to defend its leaked, circumstantial case in a real court of law where they have no safety net.
absolutely psychotic take that is emblematic of the disregard many football fans hold for the integrity of the sport they purport to care about. a 150 year old institution should ‘naturally drop into extinction’ because they’ve been horribly mismanaged and failed to keep up? vile
Replying to @k2013uk @TFMick1892
United haven’t won a major trophy in a decade lol but PSR doesn’t allow them to drop into extinction as they naturally should.
city certainly aren’t sending their best and brightest are they
There’s a glaring hypocrisy among those who have declared Manchester City guilty before the process has concluded. For them, City are already guilty. There is no verdict left to await, no evidence left to assess and no process left to respect. City must simply accept whatever punishment follows, while players (former and current) and fans are expected to adopt particular views about the owners and the club’s conduct. Everything has already been decided.
But ask those same people whether they’d accept City being cleared, including following any appeal, and the response is invariably: “OK. They got away with it.” So a guilty verdict must be respected, but an innocent one can be dismissed? They don’t want due process. They want their predetermined verdict validated.
yeah that’s an absolutely stellar argument, which i have no doubt would go down a treat in front a judge. get lord pannick on the ringer and let him know they need to shift strategies.
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FFP is almost 20 years old. PSR and its equivalents have been in force for over 13 years. isn’t it weird however that it suddenly became an existential threat to the league in the past three weeks.
it’s really funny you should bring this up - a meeting widely reported to have been about ongoing proposals for increased broadcast revenue sharing based on league position. now i wonder which club was principally driving those proposals?
fascinating argument. as we all know, there’s a direct link between money spent and playing exciting football. that’s why utd, liverpool, and spurs have been so scintillating recently - while brighton, bournemouth, brentford, and palace have been absolute boring dross, of course.
Replying to @PhantomGoal
It’s all about being entertained on Manchester City certainly do that. Why do we want boring teams winning things? I wanna watch quality work class players playing football.
salary caps won’t ever get off the ground for as long as the PFA continue to challenge them at every opportunity. they are literally currently suing the EFL in the high court over it. they have already said they will do the same if the PL tries to introduce them. so now what?






















