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Martha MacCallum CHALLENGES Abdul El-Sayed on Government Healthcare — His Response Turns the Spotlight on Political Donations Martha MacCallum: In the UK, more than half the people who died in England in 2023 were on the NHS waiting list and couldn’t get care. Why would that be a better system for us? Abdul El-Sayed: Number one, I’m not advocating for the same system as the NHS. We’re the richest, most powerful country in the world. The idea that we can’t do it better is ridiculous. Do you know the average wait time to see a cardiologist in America? Martha MacCallum: Tell me. Abdul El-Sayed: Two and a half months. We pay 19 cents on the dollar for every dollar spent in our entire economy on healthcare. The average deductible is $4,500 just to get healthcare you’ve already paid for. The idea that we can’t do better is kind of insane. Martha MacCallum: I think the question is about how to get there. Abdul El-Sayed: We need to get corporations out of politics. The guy I’m running against, Mike Rogers, voted 19 times to keep prescription drug prices high. He took a million dollars alone from pharma and called himself a champion for the industry. Martha MacCallum: Do you think corporations should be able to buy politicians in this country? Abdul El-Sayed: Well, it’s a good question. I know you were fundraising in California last weekend, and you’re here in New York fundraising again.