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From the opinions gathered, we have reached the conclusion that adjunto adnominal should be lowered to the legacy list. This is due to multiple new opinions from reliable sources overwhelmingly calling adjunto adnominal not list worthy, which now outweigh the opinions when initially placed. Thus we believe a lower to legacy is the most accurate placement.
Old Orochi has been placed at #17 on the Rated+ List, above Silent clubstep and below Ashley Wave Trials, with a list requirement of 60%.
Thinking Space II (CoCyMain) has been placed at #39 on the Rated+ List, above Slaughterhouse and below Maniacal Chains, with a list requirement of 74%.
BASSLINE JUNKIE has been placed at #48 on the Rated+ List, above Sakupen Circles and below Prismline, with a list requirement of 71%.
Lost in Time 2 has been placed at #52 on the Rated+ List, above Silentlocked and below Master of Puppets, with a list requirement of 66%.
Shadow Of The Past has been placed at #58 on the Rated+ List, above ace and below Through The Gates, with a list requirement of 76%.
ace has been placed at #59 on the Rated+ List, above Firework and below Shadow Of The Past, with a list requirement of 64%.
Blooming Blossoms has been placed at #71 on the Rated+ List, above Pinnacle of Life and below The Hallucination, with a list requirement of 77%.
ETERNALtheory has been placed at #83 on the Rated+ List, above Solar Flare and below Losing Your Mind.
Marks has been placed at #105 on the Rated+ List, above Sinister Silence and below ORDINARY.
blight has been placed at #125 on the Rated+ List, above Natural Disaster and below BPATA MPAKA.
These push Deadlier Clubstep, BRITNEY NO SCLEARS, Stellar Night, Gaggatrondra, Sevvend Clubstep, Edge of Destiny and Losing Your Mind into the Rated+ Extended List and Graceful, paranoia, Starlit Stroll, The Paroxysm of Rage, Blood Echo, Aerial Gleam, DISCONNECT, VOID, Henken and Starlight Summit have been pushed into the Rated+ Legacy List.
- Old Orochi has been placed above Silent clubstep due to the victor and a player with the level in 2 runs agreeing on it being at least harder than Silent clubstep. Although two other players have progress and are able to compare it to other levels, it's current placement is below one's range and above the other's range, making it the most accurate placement given the data at hand.
- Thinking Space II (CoCyMain) has been placed right above Slaughterhouse due to fitting all the ranges, and 3 of the mutuals with Slaughterhouse found it harder. Due to a lack of data for levels above it and one player finding it easier than Kyouki, we feel this placement is the most accurate for now.
- BASSLINE JUNKIE has been placed right above Sakupen Circles, as it fits all the ranges except for one outlier, and 3 mutuals have directly compared BASSLINE JUNKIE to it and found it harder.
- Lost in Time 2 had various ranges, placing it below Master of Puppets was deemed the best placement for now as it fit all the ranges, and a player with progress on both levels found it easier.
- Shadow Of The Past has been placed right above Firework, as the only viable opinion on the level we have is the verifiers opinion, which claims it to be harder than Firework.
- ace has been placed right above Firework, as the verifier directly found it harder than Firework, while fitting in other players ranges. We decided to place it below Shadow of the Past, as we think ace is closer to Firework.
- Blooming Blossoms had only 2 ranges to work with, both being pretty large ranges. Placing it below The Hallucination was deemed the best for now, as it fit the ranges and both players agree on it being main list.
- ETERNALtheory has been placed right above Solar Flare, as it fit all the ranges except one, and three players found it comparable Solar Flare.
- Marks has been placed right below ORDINARY, as it fits perfectly in both victors ranges, while one of them have compared it directly to ORDINARY and found it easier.
- blight has been placed right above Natural Disaster as all 3 victors agree on it being comparable to The Wonder of You, with one finding it harder than Natural Disaster.
Please note that all the levels were placed with limited data to work with, and are highly subject to change once more players beat them.
Verifications:
Old Orochi: youtu.be/YxtFAQtLYQY
Thinking Space II: youtu.be/RJedeB2wHCA
BASSLINE JUNKIE: youtu.be/db_V19gW0rI
Lost in Time 2: youtu.be/8i5GfTqb6oE
Shadow Of The Past: youtu.be/LEyo0LJV8os
ace: youtu.be/7uYghOdos8I
Blooming Blossoms: youtu.be/GU-qfLRoDMo
ETERNALtheory: youtu.be/3LfjQWk9Hyg
Marks: youtu.be/CxYXfCvNZtQ
blight: youtu.be/2y1GVoPZjhU
The Rated+ List is now fully finished and live on the Pointercrate website with ten new levels (Old Orochi, Thinking Space II, BASSLINE JUNKIE & more) with plenty more levels to come in the following months!
(A slightly more extensive version of this announcement can be found in our Discord Server linked in our bio!)
Website Changelog
- A new tab on Pointercrate's header labelled "Rated+ List+ now contains both rated levels from the Demon List as well as unrated levels selected by a dedicated team of voters.
- The Rated+ List has a separate stats viewer from the Demon List stats viewer. Player profiles and their relevant records are present in both, with list points adjusted accordingly.
- Both stats viewers now show list profiles with 0 points, ordered by player ID.
- Dark mode added.
- Guidelines page updated (pending Russian translations)
Rated+ Info
Most details listed below are highly subject to change in pursuit of a system which provides the greatest benefit for the game and community as a whole.
Purpose
Rated+'s main purpose is to give well-received but overlooked levels an opportunity to place on the Demon List in a timely manner. Although RobTop's rating standards seems to be generally aligned with the community's preferences, it often takes months or years for certain levels to get rated, even when the decision to rate these levels proves overwhelmingly popular down the line. We believe the addition of this tab to be a means of shying away from RobTop's rate system for the Demon List.
Placement System
Unrated levels that meet the eligibility criteria are placed in a voting pool in an arbitrary order by the list team. Polls are periodically created for an independent voting committee, consisting of qualified applicants including former and current in-game moderators and rating advisors, to vote for or against each level's addition to the list. These votes are plugged into a formula that converts votes into an approval percentage, resulting in a sorted list of levels ordered from highest to lowest approval rating.
In the system's current state, a level must have the highest approval rating out of all unplaced levels before being added to pending-list-changes.
A formula is used to determine rate of placement so that list team members do not control whether a specific level is added. It is currently unfinalized, and as such it will be continuously tweaked to better match community interests.
Voting Standards
- We currently want the average player to view the levels that we've placed on this tab as clear, justifiable choices based on a level's gameplay and decoration quality, and allow the general quality thresholds of the rate system to directly inform and guide voting decisions.
- A level's historical significance to the game should influence votes.
- The usage of custom songs (NONGs) should not influence votes.
- The status of creators/verifiers involved in the level should not influence votes in any meaningful way. However, individuals involved in serious controversy may have their names removed/censored from a level's credits at the staff team's discretion as to explicitly condemn their actions and limit attention given to them.
- Above all else, voters are expected to be consistent in their standards.
Level Eligibility
Any level must meet a set of criteria before being added to the Rated+ voting pool:
- Must be legitimately verified.
- Cannot be shorter than 30 seconds.
- Cannot be a layout which does not contain effects or does not follow the layout style for decorative/thematic purposes.
- Cannot be variants/edits of already existing levels without drastically altered decoration (expanded on in our Guidelines).
- A level which fails to meet eligibility criteria may still be polled based on historical significance. This is entirely at the staff team's discretion.
Afterword
Special thanks to Pointercrate Admin jasonyess as the primary developer of the new features seen on the website and @foodynooby as a leading manager for the project as a whole. Everybody on the list team put in an applaudable effort into creating a system that aims to benefit the community as best as possible. Do note, however, that we're continuing to discuss how we can best handle unrated levels on the Demon List as a whole, and everything said here is subject to change!
If you'd like to contribute to the project, feel free to apply via the form linked in the replies! We're still looking to expand the current committee with even more creators, community figures, and former/current in-game moderators.
With the project now done, you can look forward to the website rewrite currently in the works! A preview may even be coming Soon™. ;)
Thank you all for your patience throughout Rated+'s production, and we hope that it serves as a major step towards a betterment of the Demon List and Geometry Dash as a whole. We look forward to the highlighting of many overlooked achievements and creative works of this community!
Make sure to read the announcement before asking where a certain level is - we know how much you want it!
Apply to be part of the Rated+ voting committee here: forms.gle/2Kk5QXJ2L9hamzyY7
Artemis 13 has been placed at #2, above Society and below GRIEF, with a list requirement of 73%. This pushes Nullscapes out of the Top 10, Acheron out of the Top 25, Solar Flare into the Extended List, and Trueffet into the Legacy List.
- A player with Artemis 13 in 2 runs has also completed Thinking Space II in 4 runs and finds Artemis 13 significantly harder than it.
- The verifier of Artemis 13 claimed to have been unable to give a placement opinion on the level themselves.
- The verifier of Society claimed to have found Society notably harder than Thinking Space II, saying that completing around 85% of gameplay on Society was the equivalent of beating that.
- Another victor of Thinking Space II claimed to have found Society notably easier than Thinking Space II, with Society in 3 runs.
The latter two bullet points indicate that Society and Thinking Space II are likely close in difficulty, and given the opinions of Artemis 13 being significantly harder than Thinking Space II, we have also determined to place Artemis 13 above Society for now.
Please note that while the level was essentially a Top 1 upon being rated, it was not undoubtedly Top 1 at the time, and even with a continuous lack of reliable opinions this placement is highly subject to change in the future.
Hello everyone!
As many of you already know, 2.209 recently released alongside a plethora of new features, some of them fundamentally altering how players could play the game. We thoroughly reviewed some of the newly added features and have decided to allow No Wave Trail and Hide Pause Menu, as they are now integrated into the vanilla game, and we believe there is no benefit in keeping them disallowed. However, we have decided to disallow Live Markers/Live Practice Markers as well as disabling/enabling Click Between Steps (CBS) in the middle of an attempt. Both of these new features potentially make timings or entire levels significantly easier than intended. Make sure to avoid these features when beating List Demons for submission! Thank you!
Please note: Live Markers is not the death tracker feature as a whole, but rather an option contained within its settings!
From the opinions gathered, here are the results:
Checked Steam #134 won against:
- ATOMIC CANNON Mk III #124 (few mutuals)
- Terminal Rampancy #125 (very few mutuals)
- Heavenly Sakupen #128 (very few mutuals)
- UNKNOWN #129 (10+ mutuals)
- idontknowwhatthisis #133 (very few mutuals)
- Critical Heat #135 (few mutuals)
- adjunto adnominal #136 (very few mutuals)
Checked Steam #134 lost against:
- Levigo #127 (very few mutuals)
Checked Steam #134 tied against:
- Verdant Landscape #126 (few mutuals)
- Shukketsu #131 (5+ mutuals)
No mutuals found with:
- SPIRIT OVERCLOCK #130
- Breakcore #132
Checked Steam's consistent victories against levels in the lower half of the extended list indicated that it needed to be raised at minimum above its landslide victory against UNKNOWN. That being said, while Checked Steam won multiple times against levels above Heavenly Sakupen, we decided to raise it just below its first loss, Levigo, due to a lack of reliable data for these subsequent levels.
From the opinions gathered, here are the results:
Coalescence #110 won against:
- Trickshot #98 (10+ mutuals)
- Midnight #99 (20+ mutuals)
- Cimmerian Shade #101 (few mutuals)
- TrakineS #103 (very few mutuals)
- arcturus #104 (15+ mutuals)
- BEELINE #106 (very few mutuals)
- DreamStep #107 (very few mutuals)
- Sonic Wave Infinity #108 (15+ mutuals)
- Tartarus #109 (20+ mutuals)
- Waterfall #111 (5+ mutuals)
Coalescence #110 lost against:
- Sinister Silence #96 (5+ mutuals)
- THE JET ENGINE #97 (very few mutuals)
- Doppler #100 (very few mutuals)
- PSYCHOPATH #102 (few mutuals)
Based on the ranges obtained, Coalescence appears to be underrated at its current position, with the comparison results further supporting this conclusion. The level secured solid wins against several levels above it. While it did lose against a few levels above it, the overall results remain in favour of Coalescence, supporting an upward movement. Therefore, we believe this new placement is more accurate for the level.
From the opinions gathered, here are the results:
Defeated Circles #28 won against:
- FOREST OF SPIKES #29 (1 mutual)
- Abyss of Darkness #27 (5+ mutuals)
- Acheron #24 (10+ mutuals)
- Avernus #23 (10+ mutuals)
Defeated Circles #28 lost against:
- Menace #26 (very few mutuals)
- Spectre #25 (few mutuals)
- Anathema #22 (5+ mutuals)
After comparing Defeated Circles to the levels above it, its clear wins in comparisons against Acheron and Avernus lead us to believe Spectre and Menace are outliers due to a lack of mutual victors. Acheron winning comfortably against these levels also makes this movement clearly reasonable.
We’re happy to announce that the long-awaited Rated+ tab will be releasing to the public on October 22nd, 2026! Here’s what you can expect from it:
Overview
Rated+ will exist on the Pointercrate website separately from the original Demonlist, and, in addition to all rated levels, contain unrated levels chosen by a dedicated team of voters.
In order to be considered for the Rated+ list, levels must generally meet basic quality standards that serve to keep low-effort or low-quality levels (e.g layouts or level edits) off the list. The standards will always be meant to reflect community interest and may be loosened for levels deemed notable for other reasons.
Placement System
The Rated+ list handles placements differently from the classic list. After a level is nominated by the list team and votes are cast by an independent committee, it is placed into a queue that sorts all candidates from highest to lowest approval rating. Levels that reach the top of the queue will be periodically placed on the list after an initial batch of 10 levels placed immediately after launch. This system is meant to give all levels a fair chance while maintaining a reasonable workload for the people involved; please note that it will almost certainly change over time in service of that goal.
User Experience
The Rated+ list will be accessible from a tab on the header situated next to the classic Demonlist and User Area buttons. It will have a design similar to that of the classic list with a red color scheme, 150 level spots, and its own Legacy List.
The Rated+ stats viewer will be separate from the classic stats viewer. Player profiles and their relevant records will be present in both, with list points adjusted accordingly; achievements on either stats viewer will be considered valid for obtaining milestone roles and invites to the DL Pros server.
Afterword
If you’d like to contribute to this project, our voting committee applications are now open! We’re looking to expand the team of voters with more creators, community figures, and in-game moderators. Please consider applying here if you’re interested: forms.gle/2Kk5QXJ2L9hamzyY7
Finally, we would like to thank you for your patience as we finally draw close to the release of Rated+. We’re very excited to share this project with everyone in the coming weeks, and hope to see it shine a light on some of the great overlooked unrated levels that this community has to offer. See you on the 22nd!