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Almost every move Steinbrenner made in the 1980s was idiotic, and known to be idiotic at the time he made them.
This is true. George was ahead of the curve signing free agents. Then, like Jerry Jones, the league caught up to him, and he stopped winning. And his impatience led to trading all of the best pitching prospects away.
When he stepped back things got better. But every time he meddled they got worse again. Loved Sheffield, but instead of Guerrero? Not willing to pay Carlos Beltran. Cashman mishandled the transitional period after 2001, but George gets outsized credit he does not deserve.
Not true. George Steinbrenner colluded with other owners in the mid 80s and did NOT sign available free agents that would’ve put the Yankees over the top. Jack Morris, Carlton Fisk, Andre Dawson et al.
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Yankees fans don’t realize is that if this was ruled a catch it would have prevented Red Sox pitchers from surrendering 16 runs today
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Bernie Williams had the equivalent of nearly an entire extra season of baseball in postseason play… and he was great during it! He had another 22 HR, 80 RBI, and .850 OPS against the best opponents in the biggest moments. Easily belongs in Cooperstown.
Traded all the pitching talent (Drabek, Deshaies et al) and colluded with other owners so didn’t sign guys they needed (Morris, Fisk etc). Fired all his managers, so zero stability in the organization. Yankees rebuilt when he was kicked out of baseball and couldn’t screw it up.
This is the case for Nettles
Not enough people talk about Graig Nettles:
• 390 HR, 67.9 WAR, 6x AS, 2x WAR leader
• More HR than HOF 3Bs Santo, Brett, Rolen
• More WAR than Banks, Killebrew, Winfield
• Led NYY to championships in 1977 & 1978
• Was named 1981 ALCS MVP (1.488 OPS)
• Never struck out 100x in 22 seasons
• 2x GG, played 20,625 innings at 3B
Somehow, he never received more than 8.3% of the vote from the BBWAA, falling off the HOF ballot after receiving just 4.7% in 1997, his fourth year of eligibility. An injustice!
There is a real Hall of Fame case to be made for Nettles: he played the most underrepresented position in the Hall of Fame because it’s perceived as more of an offensive position than it really is. Nettles produced offense, all time elite 3B defense, and was great in the playoffs
Happy Birthday to Graig Nettles. A 6X All Star, 2X Gold Glove, 1981’ ALCS MVP and 2X WS Champion (77-78’), he played 22 seasons (1967-88’). He hit .248/.329/.421, .750 OPS, 110 OPS+, 390 HR, 1314 RBI, 1193 Runs, 1088 Walks, 328 Doubles, 2225 Hits, 3779 TB, 68.0 WAR. He led the AL in HR 1X and WAR 2X. Considered by many to be one of the greatest defensive 3B of All Time, he often was overshadowed by Brooks Robinson. He hit 30+ HR 2X and recorded 90+ RBI 4X. He ranks 66th on the All Time HR list, T-105th in RBI, 92nd in Walks and 183rd in Hits.
Exactly! The idea that first base can be played by the greatest number of players has always been conflated with the idea that defense at first base isn’t important — even though it affects the defense at every other infield position.
Good points. But even were you to shrink the sample size for Maddux in the post season, he simply never elevated over his prime regular season standard. So the argument is Koufax and Gibson *might* have regressed to their crazy high mean. Not a winning argument.
Maddux’s supposed postseason decline is 3.16 ERA to 3.27 ERA over only 198 innings- roughly one starter season- against disproportionately strong competition.
Pitching outcome components such as HR rate and XBH rate require roughly 1,300–1,450 batters faced to reach even conventional stabilization thresholds, while BABIP requires about 2,000 balls in play.
A 0.11 ERA difference in a sample representing less than 4% of Maddux’s career innings cannot establish a repeatable ‘playoff underperformance’ skill.
And…if tiny postseason samples prove clutch ability, Maddux’s 2.09 World Series ERA would prove the opposite of your argument.
Maddux is obviously an upper echelon all time great, but he is the last guy in this group you’d start in a must-win playoff game, as he consistently underperformed his regular season standard. Koufax and Gibson elevated in the post season. Velocity plays up in the playoffs.
Feel bad for Volpe; seemed to peak as a good major leaguer in his early 20’s, and has been declining past couple years. To challenge twice in the first inning of a minor league game is desperate. To lose both challenges is brutal. I think he’s laughing at himself.
