It's Greg!

Are there pictures? Maybe crayons too? Asking for my navy marine coprs buddies

Bruh, you gotta put a warning or something . Imma go bleach my eyes now

Brother, been in therapy for the last 4 years from ptsd from military...it def helps. Sometimes I get frustrated, but that's the process. Glad you're getting there and have us knuckle heads here to support lol.

This is where the rule is poorly written, because by that logic, earlier in the game, this would have been a td. Ball in hand toe down. Its a tough call, honestly, and thw rule needs to be more clearly defined. How? I dont know

I appreciate a good convo! I disagree on the control as evident by his left hand completely rotated under the ball in the process of bringing it down. I think this pic kinda captures his left hand better, and thw ball is lose before the defender punches it out the rest of the way. Imo, in the act if bringing it down from the top, he starts to lose it. I do believe some coaches inform and train their receivers to keep the ball above them and take those steps with out moving the ball down. Had he done that, there would have been zero chance of even remotely losing the ball.

Lol, mannn, I had all the rules pulled up...not doing it again. The rule specifically states making an "act or movement " or something. So, I agree, he initially has control the moment the ball hits his hands, but with the following act if tixking the ball, he loses control before the defender bats it out if his hands. Its a poorly written rule, but in this case, its incomplete. Not saying you, but woman people were like, "the instant he has it and a toe is down, its a touchdown regardless of rule:". It was funny spinning people up until they read the actual rule..then tunes started changing to, "the rule is bs", "the refs were against miami", "ND still sucks". At that point it was a dead conversation when people wouldn't want to argue logic and facts, even if theyre opposing, and just went off the deep end lol. Either way, it was a good game, and Miami was trying to play catch up the whole time and honestly, shouldn't have let nd get that far ahead.

I love the fact you're still trolling people with facts. I stayed up until 4 Sunday morning with a tee time at 7. It was a rough round lol, but totally worth it lol

Shoot, wanna make me one?

Now that ive got 2 hrs of sleep under my belt lol, disagree with the logic of your post...first you say he didnt bubble it alone...implying he didnt have control...second, you are proving the point of, in the "act of control", he was being successfully defended by the ND saftey beginning to dislodge the ball during the act. Third...he never had control im left hand, else he wouldn't have dropped it? But because he never completed the catach, as according to the rules, its incomplete. Dont gwt me wrong, the rule is poorly written, but, its incomplete none the less Tough tough call

Ngl, I appreciate the back and forth...it refreshing to not have name calling lol. I read grips reply as not juat needing the initial catch, but also needing the "act common to the game". As I said before, I think, its a poorly written rule that can lead to different interpretations. Because as I see it, and how I think geek says it, he initially had it in his hands but failed to continue with the rules of what a catch is. I honestly done see the word immediate or how the td is immediate anywhere in groups answer.

But is that the whome point of this? Im arguing its a tough shitty call, but the right one in accordance with the crappy written rule? You want a td no matter what? Grok just agreed with my argument?

Grok agrees with you? I know its almost 3am where im at, butim pretty sure grok says it was incomplete?

I appreciate the convo! I snagged a picture right as his first step was going out of bounds showing he didnt have control. Dont get mw wrong, its such a tough call in that the rule is poorly written, but he didnt have control, imo, when he was preforming the "act common to the game" again...the rule is poorly written because it can be left up to interpretation, which sucks.

@EdwardinRaleigh I mean, grok agrees...i dont know what to say?

Thats a fact...it was funny because in the Tennessee game early, if i remember correctly, its only 230am here, there was a similar play which was called incomplete. Im juat glad for college ball, ya know? Lol

Ok, let's ask grok...easy peasy. @grok was that play a touchdown catch or not in the Miami notre dame game?

I mean, by that logic, this is a TD and all of this is a mute point.

See, like I think I said previously...its apoorly written rule where parts can be up for interpretation....i personally think he has the ball in his hands initially with his feet down, yes, but the act of securing the ball by bringing it in and preforming the "act common to the game 🤮" is where he loses control right before he steps out, thus making it incomplete. Such a tough call based on a poorly written rule.

Likewise Mr. Russell! Its nice to have a civil discourse and still have fun on this thing we call the internet, much less Twitter lol

I am not arguing nfl rules, I had to look up ncaa rules just to make sure I am not wrong. If you read the ncaa rule, it isn't a catch based on that extra "act common to the game".