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Ok I’m further into Citizen Kim. One under discussed aspect of the kardashians is how they live in a kind of feudal family estate arrangement in giant houses all within at most a 15 min drive of each other (many are walkable) so their kids can all be incredibly close. The men in their lives are barely important to the overall arrangement, they come, they go, they’re not part of the structure Kris Jenner has created. They seem kind of broadly hated by feminists but in a weird way they’ve created the ultimate feminist utopia, at least as it can exist under capitalism. They’re completely financially free from men, in fact any man that even wanders into the picture is often dependent on them, and their kids are raised in a kind of sisterly hive mom way. I think because they’re hot or at least dress to appeal to the male gaze this aspect of their whole thing is never discussed but it’s kinda radical. They’re essentially “post men.”