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Don’t let those pesky scriptures get in the way of your systematic.
This was quite a thing to behold, @1984_nate
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The Fallacy of Unfalsifiability
Calvinists protect their system from being tested against the plain reading of Scripture by inventing double meanings for the very words the Bible uses. Once those double meanings are in place, almost any verse that looks like it contradicts their system can be reclassified so it no longer counts against it.
Take “grace.” Scripture speaks of God’s grace, favor, and kindness being shown to people. When a verse says God is gracious or offers grace in a way that does not fit limited effectual grace, it gets labeled “common grace.” Common grace is said to be real but non-saving, so it does not touch the doctrine of irresistible saving grace given only to the elect. The same word is doing two different jobs, and the distinction is not clearly marked in the text itself. Nothing in the passage has to change; the category does the work for them.
The same move happens with “love.” When Scripture says God loves the world, or loves those who reject him, or desires their salvation, that love is redefined as a general, non-electing love that does not actually intend to save.
The special, electing love is reserved for the elect alone. John 3:16 can stay in the Bible without requiring that God genuinely loves every person in the same saving sense. The word “love” has been split so the universal statements no longer falsify the particularist claim.
God’s “will” gets the same treatment. The decretive will is what God secretly determines will happen. The preceptive will is what he commands and invites. When the Bible says God wills that all be saved, or that he takes no pleasure in the death of the wicked, that is assigned to the preceptive will, which is not the will that actually decides outcomes. The decretive will remains absolute and limited. Apparent contradictions disappear in their mind because the two wills are not the same will. The system cannot be shown false by the plain sense of the command or the invitation.
“Calling” works the same way. There is a general, external call that goes out to everyone through the gospel, and an effectual, internal call that only the elect ever receive and that always succeeds. When Jesus or Paul says “come,” “believe,” or “whoever,” that is the general call. It can be resisted, so it does not threaten irresistible grace. The effectual call is the one that actually saves, and it is not given to those who refuse. The same language of calling now covers both a resistible invitation and an irresistible summons, and the distinction keeps the system intact.
Drawing, world, all, desire, and other terms receive parallel treatments. Each time a verse appears to teach a genuine, universal provision or a real condition of faith, a special sense is introduced that limits the force of the verse to the elect alone. The result is that the system becomes consistent with nearly any reading of the text. Counterexamples are not allowed to count as counterexamples because they have already been redefined into a category that does not threaten the core claims of the Calvinist.
That is how the system stays unfalsifiable. The ordinary words of Scripture are given technical double meanings that are not required by the passages themselves, and those meanings absorb the evidence that would otherwise challenge the doctrine. In their minds, the text can say what it says, and the system remains untouched.
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Replying to @pastorscottc
Nope
You’re taking the whoever comes language and applying it to being a prophet or an apostle to make it sound ridiculous.
Those weren’t open invitations though. God didn’t put out a general call saying whoever wants to be a prophet or in the Messiah’s line just show up and I’ll elect you. Those were specific appointments for particular people and purposes. The banquet in Matthew 22 is different. It’s a general invitation, and the ones who come in response to it, clothed in faith, are the ones elected to enter. The others were called but not elect because they didn’t come. That’s the distinction the passage is making.
The sons of Levi were chosen to be Priests, right? Does that mean all of sons and grandsons of Levi did become priests? No. Why? Because some didn’t meet the conditions for becoming a priest even though they were set aside by God for that purpose. Being chosen for a purpose by God doesn’t mean it’s inevitable.
Good point
I once spoke with an absolutely vile person who explained why he exclusively hit on married/taken women
He'd made a pass at me, I said I was taken, he said he knew, and I called him out and said "If you knew, why would you do that?"
"If I hit on single women, my competition is every guy in the world. If I hit on taken ones it's one guy."
Although this is one of the most toxic things I've ever heard, I do think it's worth internalizing, because you can make your partner compete against the entire world even if no one ever hits on you
That's what you're doing if you're constantly comparing them in your head to others, that's what porn does, that's what getting deep in the weeds with romance books does, and it's what the Call Her Daddy-style "You can do better" mindset teaches
And you know what? Maybe you actually CAN do better. Maybe both of you could!
You could both spend your entire lives treating people like baseball cards, trading them in over and over to optimize for some superior stat
But if you've committed to someone, specifically if you've vowed to "forsake all others," they are not your monkey branch to use to upgrade
Any Calvinist want to chime in?
In light of my recent post about how it's logically impossible for God to create you with LFW, many have demanded formal argumentation to support this.
My argument, as most of you know by now, is always rooted in God being the creator and sustainer of all things that exist at all moments. God is in control of His own power and the effects thereof, and is therefore in control of how things exist at all moments as He upholds them. (This includes your mind/will, obviously).
It seems as though it's very easy for me to argue people into understanding that God is in control of exactly how physical matter or energy exists. I think this demonstrates that my argument, at least as far as that aspect of creation is concerned, is valid and powerful.
However, this results in the opposition to my argument always boiling down to the attempt to separate your moral choices from your existence. I am at a loss for words at how anyone could even consider such a thing. I've asked those who claim such to explain it. I have yet to see a single explanation. It is merely a claim so far. A baseless claim thrown out in attempts to avoid the implications of my argument.
I have personally argued against them clearly and explained how you can't separate those two things. Your choices and thoughts and desires are grounded in the state of existence of your mind or will at those given moments. You can't separate them.
My explanations are declared to be non-sequiturs without explanation. I have not encountered any serious engagement thus far.
Below is a formal structure to my argument from God as sustainer of all existence. While you can swap "choice" in this argument for anything else that exists and this argument stands. This particular formulation of the argument focuses on human choice and how you can't separate that from your existence.
I'm asking anyone anywhere to provide a detailed refutation of this argument. Please demonstrate why one of the premises is wrong or why the conclusion does not follow.
I have yet to get any meaningful engagemetn from my casual conversations here on X. I'm hoping a more public declaration of my argument might gain some more serious engagement.
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In light of my recent post about how it's logically impossible for God to create you with LFW, many have demanded formal argumentation to support this.
My argument, as most of you know by now, is always rooted in God being the creator and sustainer of all things that exist at all moments. God is in control of His own power and the effects thereof, and is therefore in control of how things exist at all moments as He upholds them. (This includes your mind/will, obviously).
It seems as though it's very easy for me to argue people into understanding that God is in control of exactly how physical matter or energy exists. I think this demonstrates that my argument, at least as far as that aspect of creation is concerned, is valid and powerful.
However, this results in the opposition to my argument always boiling down to the attempt to separate your moral choices from your existence. I am at a loss for words at how anyone could even consider such a thing. I've asked those who claim such to explain it. I have yet to see a single explanation. It is merely a claim so far. A baseless claim thrown out in attempts to avoid the implications of my argument.
I have personally argued against them clearly and explained how you can't separate those two things. Your choices and thoughts and desires are grounded in the state of existence of your mind or will at those given moments. You can't separate them.
My explanations are declared to be non-sequiturs without explanation. I have not encountered any serious engagement thus far.
Below is a formal structure to my argument from God as sustainer of all existence. While you can swap "choice" in this argument for anything else that exists and this argument stands. This particular formulation of the argument focuses on human choice and how you can't separate that from your existence.
I'm asking anyone anywhere to provide a detailed refutation of this argument. Please demonstrate why one of the premises is wrong or why the conclusion does not follow.
I have yet to get any meaningful engagemetn from my casual conversations here on X. I'm hoping a more public declaration of my argument might gain some more serious engagement.
Yes please
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It’s apparently lost on people that if RC Sproul says God ordained everything that comes to pass. It means He wills and decrees evil.
This means God commands evil to take place and it can’t be otherwise.
This means God will evil. God is therefore schizophrenic.
It’s heresy.
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He satisfied the wrath of God for the elect who are yet still under His wrath and liable to condemnation prior to faith?
It’s almost as if Christ’s satisfaction does not ipso facto remove divine wrath or condemnation apart from the application of its benefits through faith.
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Replying to @WordWithJustin
He satisfied the wrath of God for those who will endure the wrath of God for all eternity?
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Ok, since the Provisionists and Provisionist apologists are incessantly whining about my adding “down” to the original “beat him” and insinuating it implies physical violence when it absolutely doesn’t, I retract the addition of “down”.
That said, I linked the post from Derrik which contains his words. Why would I do that if I wanted to make it look like Derrik was claiming physical beating or something? Literally the dumbest thing to make a mountain of a mole hill.
But I know why. It’s because they want to shift the focus from Derrik’s childish antics and try to point at the bad Calvinist. Utterly ridiculous.
My biggest problem with self-checkout is the criminalization of mistakes that cashiers typically make.
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Replying to @5Solas2
Plan A without a doubt
It's the best confirmation we have that the Garden of Eden was not the fall of man but the elevation of Jesus at our expense
Do any Calvinists object to a Doctrine of Devine Hatred of most people?
Replying to @Mindtrap028
That’s one angle. But the idea that I’m just sitting here pondering apart from scripture is false. The Bible teaches clearly that God hates people.
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Those Calvinists who maintain that God loves the non-elect, but not with a “particular, electing, effectual love,” are trying to reconcile Calvinistic theology with Scripture’s clear teaching on God’s love for all.
I’m grateful they want to stay true to God’s word and not abandon the obvious teaching that God loves all people, as A.W. Pink and many “high/hyper” Calvinists have done.
Yet while they try to keep some semblance of divine love for those unconditionally rejected by God in eternity past, they appeal to common provisions such as rain and sunshine. Can such provisions be deemed genuinely loving given Scripture’s own definition of love in 1 Corinthians 13?
Paul, under inspiration of the Holy Spirit, explains what love is not:
“If I speak in the tongues of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. If I give all I possess to the poor and give over my body to hardship that I may boast, but do not have love, I gain nothing.” (1 Cor. 13:1-3)
So love is not:
• Having the power and ability to do all things (v. 1)
• Having knowledge of all things (v. 2)
• Giving gifts and showing kindness to the weak and poor (v. 3)
Omnipotence without love is impotent. Omniscience apart from love is worthless. Even benevolent gifts like rain and sunlight, apart from love, are nothing. God is omnipotent, omniscient, and graciously benevolent to all humanity, but these characteristics do not necessarily reflect the true nature of love. God, through his servant, tells us what true love is:
“Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. Love never fails.” (1 Cor. 13:4-8)
No Bible-believing Christian questions that “God is love” (1 Jn. 4:8). “The Lord is gracious and merciful; Slow to anger and great in lovingkindness. The Lord is good to all, And His mercies are over all His works.” (Ps. 145:9).
This truth is undeniable, which is why many Calvinists offer such rebuttals to defend God’s love for all from their Calvinistic worldview. But can one objectively conclude that God’s treatment of the reprobate in the Calvinistic system is truly “loving” according to God’s own definition?
More here: soteriology101.com/2018/02/1…
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Many Calvinists believe that non-Calvinists believe their will is enough to save themselves, when that's not even remotely true. Believing God has given us the ability of the will to respond positively to His grace doesn't equal us saving ourselves by said will.
Replying to @DoRtChristians
Everyone undermines God sovereignty and Christs deity by claiming their will is enough to save themselves. That makes Christs sacrifice unnecessary. So..yeah...you are probably right. Attacking Gods nature would make you an enemy to God . Whether you like it or not.
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I know that it’s practically dead/in disuse but if you’re going to accuse Provisionism of not being “robust” or “Pelagian” etc., you should at least engage meaningfully with the Traditionalist Statement and the scholars who have written on it.
Question for my Calvinist friends.
The two wills/decrees of God. One is what will happen and one is what should happen. So then o e is called his revealed will (what does happen) and one is called his moral will (what should happen). Other words for same concepts but you get thr premise.
So the question.
If Gods revealed will/decree contradicts Gods moral will/decreel. How is his revealed will/decree not immoral?
When it is violation or contradiction of his moral will which males a thing immoral?
























