What does it mean about the runway and competitiveness of LMM platform opportunities in the U.S. when Alpine is doing UK based deals ?
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Maybe the nuance here is two fold, b/c on the surface seems like a double standard - ie PE can be aggressive in the sellside qoe for their exit process but the founder/ family owner can’t
If it’s a sponsor backed biz - the sellside qoe will still be aggressive but consistent with general finance principles and not ABSURDLY aggressive
If it’s a family owned biz - the sellside qoe is also aggressive - perhaps even more so to the point of being unrealistic / ABSURD - and doesn’t always follow basic finance principles
Maybe it’s some % variance (and bs radar for how insane the adjustments are) where past that, the sellside qoe (and deal) loses credibility - if “real” adjusted EBITDA is more than 30-50%+ different from what’s in the sellside qoe then deal blows up and credibility is lost but if it’s within 5-30% then you’re safe ?
Hitting the forecast is the #1 most important thing in selling a business. No doubt.
I used to believe in the sellside QofE in founder owned businesses and now I don't. Here's why:
Sellside QofE providers will put literally anything into a QofE if there is any evidence or argument they can make. And I mean anything.
Founders often get confused in this process. They think they are negotiating with the QofE provider and getting more EBITDA and a higher value. But the provider is literally just doing whatever the seller wants who is paying their bill wants. The banker should push back hard on this but most don't the often the founder won't listen. An accounting firm says this is the number!
They then send out books on this inflated EBITDA and get high bids. Once the buyers see the QofE most fade away and for the rest the value drops. The seller has all of these high bids and by this time has convinced themselves that their business is really worth this. Deal blows up. Seen it time and time again.
PE does the sellside QofE because we get the game. Be a bit aggressive in the QofE knowing it will get cut back a little bit maybe. Disclose everything so there aren't surprises. It works well to speed up the process.
Had a founder owned QofE earlier this year. The banker said it was $7M. When we got the QofE the real number was more like $4-5M. You can't add back factoring costs unless you are going to treat the balance as debt at closing. This is basic corporate finance. You can't add back the whole family management team and claim the business can run on its own. Etc. Etc.
Just went through the new Pointe/Koltin report on PE in accounting firms. Worth pulling a few things out for anyone watching the space:
7/ Bottom line: the CPA+ space isn't cooling, it's maturing. Capital keeps flowing, but execution is the new differentiator.
If AI and Claude for excel is so good — why is it that everyone still sucks at building clean organized spreadsheets for simple recurring tasks ? Eg monthly financial reporting package, weekly payroll processing, weekly sales dashboard, etc. ?
Never a dull moment! Not the most glamorous work smoothing out revenue and expense recognition but the value-add for the business owner is rewarding for us all the same. Grateful for the opportunity and for the client trusting us for ongoing monthly services that have continued beyond this project.
If you're running a family-owned blue-collar business and need help with anything accounting & finance related, please reach out!
@hardhatcfo
We’ve had a vendor make over 1,000 cold calls for us and we’ve sent >1,000 pieces of direct mail. We’ll be sharing more about the results soon.
Spoiler alert — the results end similar to @blueprintsmb22 ‘s test with using a lead gen firm in manufacturing.
Anyone else find it jarring when you see something on the For You page that isn’t Claude / AI content
It’s like
Claude code
Claude skill
Claude code
GPT
Whoa ! Whoa ! A real post
Claude code
Claude code
Claude skill
Back to doomscrolling
Mr. Claude Code told me to make a business instagram, so I of course listened: instagram.com/teamfervent/
If anyone has good ideas for video content for an accounting & CFO services firm - let me know. Current winner: 4-hours of uncut excel footage. If we get 1.25 likes on this post, I will make it. May need a tutorial on social from @jamesonhaslam
This is likely record setting pace for any “independent sponsor” deal entry / exit growth. Indy sponsor in quotes cus I’m sure some will debate what to call GGG — having the big equity slug upfront to get the deals done certainly helps. Nonetheless impressive — would have to guess this traded in the mid to high teens
Oak Hill Capital to acquire Guild Garage Group in $800 million-plus deal, sources say reut.rs/47dOBoI reut.rs/47dOBoI
Better late than never - excited to share this one and grateful for the opportunity that @hardhatcfo and I had to support this family-owned, home service business. Got to be a part of a lot of growth (both topline and accounting & finance infrastructure buildout) that culminated in a great outcome for the family.
Interesting note from @PermanentEquity's @timhanso today in his Unqualified Opinions. He was commenting on @Slackwatercap's post about not making new investments in self-funded search deals.
I'll paraphrase (full quote below), but Tim claims that LMM PE buyers are acting irrationally when they "pay up for lesser quality assets" with the thesis that they'll get multiple arbitrage selling to a strategic after achieving sufficient scale.
Not so sure this is irrational, when the name of the game is to generate returns and strategics continue to pay a higher multiple in exchange for someone doing the work to aggregate these add-ons. Even if it is poorly integrated. Perhaps its the strategics paying these multiples that are acting irrationally?
full quote from Tim here: Tim's comment: "Take the private equity firms, for example. You would think that they are disciplined buyers laser-focused on IRR. What we’ve seen down market is that they’re willing to pay up for lesser quality assets because if they can cobble together enough of them, they can stitch together a Frankenstein company with headline earnings of $10M or $20M, which is allegedly attractive to strategic buyers who will pay an even higher multiple. In other words, it’s not an investment, but a product manufactured for a customer."





