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Hurricane Melissa’s Jamaica Landfall: What Does the Late-Cycle Data Actually Show? The difference between the official landfall intensity and the estimate developed here is the direct result of examining observations the Tropical Cyclone Report did not analyze in detail. In it, the Jamaica intensity section notes the lack of late reconnaissance and the degraded satellite presentation, then applies only a very slight reduction from the earlier peak. It doesn’t test or explain the measured pressure rise between the final two center fixes, the New Hope and Crawford surface readings against the near-flat inner-eye structure documented by reconnaissance, or the gradients and observed conditions those readings actually require. The following analysis performs that crucial examination. It evaluates the respective surface observations against three realistic center positions and three assumed landfall pressures (and their time-adjusted equivalents), showing which values are consistent with the reported winds, weather, and pressure changes inside the eye. This allows any reader to check the results directly against the actual surface observations. How to read the pressure gradients In a #hurricane, the lowest pressure is found at the center (eye). As you move outward from there, the pressure rises. The rate of that rise — the pressure gradient — is measured here in millibars per nautical mile (mb/n mi). * Calm eye: ≤1.5 mb/n mi — light or calm winds * Inside the eye (lull): 1.5–3 mb/n mi — still inside the eye but outside the calm core; winds no longer light * Inner edge: 3–4 mb/n mi — transition zone where the slope steepens and conditions begin to change significantly * Eyewall: ≥4 mb/n mi — steepest gradients and strongest winds A normal pressure profile is parabolic: meaning it’s flattest near the center, then steadily steeper with distance until the eyewall, after which it relaxes again. When a proposed central pressure forces the gradient to be steeper closer to the center than farther out, or requires eyewall-level slopes inside a documented calm eye, the value is physically unrealistic. These ranges reflect the steep gradients of a small, intense core like Melissa’s; a larger, weaker system would show lower absolute values while retaining the same relative structure. The blocks that follow simply apply this test at successive times using the measured station pressures and the known conditions at each site. The results show that only a landfall pressure of 910–912 mb keeps every gradient inside the range that matches the observed eye, eye-edge, or eyewall location. The blocks begin with the 1725Z landfall as the primary test, then step back to 1720Z and 1700Z to establish the filling already underway on final approach. The sequence then proceeds chronologically through the post-landfall periods. 1725Z — Landfall Sandals South Coast was inside the calm eye, and Crawford was on the inner edge with conditions already improving. The refined track is the primary position. Sandals is shown as the reasonable northernmost point that still rounds to the official 18.1°N, 78.0°W coordinate and remains inside the original radar-derived corridor. All positions lie within 1.5 n mi of one another. Reanalyzed Intensity: 150 kt/912 mb (Plausible floor down to 910 mb) Refined track— 18.104°N, 77.981°W * Sandals: 0.54 n mi * New Hope: 0.96 n mi | 912.3–913.4 mb → 0.3–1.5 mb/n mi * Crawford: 5.39 n mi | 933.5 mb → 3.99 mb/n mi Sandals (northern limit) — 18.108°N, 77.989°W * Sandals: 0.00 n mi | 912.0 mb → 0.00 mb/n mi * New Hope: 1.48 n mi | 912.5–914.2 mb → 0.3–1.5 mb/n mi * Crawford: 5.92 n mi | 933.5 mb → 3.63 mb/n mi Original radar-derived — 18.095°N, 77.975°W * Sandals: 1.13 n mi * New Hope: 0.35 n mi | 912–912.5 mb → 0.0–1.5 mb/n mi * Crawford: 4.8 n mi | 933.5 mb → 4.48 mb/n mi The refined track is the original radar-derived coordinate shifted 0.62 n mi north-northwest. It is the preferred position because it is the minimal continuous adjustment of the radar track that also places Sandals well inside the observed calm eye. Even when the center is placed directly at Sandals (the northern limit), the gradient on the eye floor remains well below the 1.5 mb/n mi calm-eye ceiling under a 912 mb central pressure. Sensitivity (refined-track distances, fair eye-floor pressures) * 912 mb center (New Hope 912.5 mb): New Hope → 0.52 mb/n mi | Crawford → 3.99 mb/n mi * 909 mb center (New Hope 909.5 mb): New Hope → 0.52 mb/n mi | Crawford → 4.55 mb/n mi * 906 mb center (New Hope 906.5 mb): New Hope → 0.52 mb/n mi | Crawford → 5.10 mb/n mi * 897 mb center (New Hope 897.5 mb): New Hope → 0.52 mb/n mi | Crawford → 6.77 mb/n mi Only the 912 mb center keeps Crawford’s slope inside the inner-edge range (≤ 4 mb/n mi) that matches the improving conditions. At 909 mb, the gradient rises to 4.55 mb/n mi, into the eyewall-core range. This confirms 912 mb as the lowest central pressure that satisfies the surface observations inside the radar-supported corridor. 1720Z — Sandals in Calm Crawford had just gotten into the inner edge of the eye (pressure minimum, winds starting to ease). Sandals South Coast and New Hope were already inside the true calm eye floor. New Hope pressure ranges keep the gradient ≤1.5 mb/n mi under an 911 mb center. Reanalyzed Intensity: 150 kt/911 mb Refined track — 18.092°N, 77.986°W * Sandals: 0.97 n mi * New Hope: 0.89 n mi | 911.5–912.3 mb → 0.6–1.5 mb/n mi * Crawford: 5.19 n mi | 926.0 mb → 2.89 mb/n mi Sandals (Northernmost) — 18.097°N, 77.994°W * Sandals: 0.73 n mi * New Hope: 1.40 n mi | 911.5–913.1 mb → 0.4–1.5 mb/n mi * Crawford: 5.73 n mi | 926.0 mb → 2.62 mb/n mi Original radar-derived — 18.074°N, 77.984°W * Sandals: 1.48 n mi * New Hope: ~1.3 n mi | 911.5–913.0 mb → 0.4–1.5 mb/n mi * Crawford: 4.6 n mi | 926.0 mb → 3.26 mb/n mi Crawford’s gradients (2.6–3.3 mb/n mi) are consistent with the inner edge of the eye. Josh never reached the true calm core. All positions keep the New Hope gradient inside the calm-eye limit under 911 mb. This was Crawford’s pressure minimum and lowest gradient — the moment he entered the inner edge and the winds began to ease. Five minutes later, the pressure had already risen 7.5 mb (to 933.5 mb) and the gradient had increased to 3.99 mb/n mi, even as the center drew slightly closer and conditions continued to improve. That jump is the clear surface signature of continuous pre-landfall filling. Sensitivity (refined-track distances) * 911 mb center (New Hope 911.5 mb): New Hope → 0.56 mb/n mi | Crawford → 2.89 mb/n mi * 908 mb center (New Hope 908.5 mb): New Hope → 0.56 mb/n mi | Crawford → 3.47 mb/n mi * 905 mb center (New Hope 905.5 mb): New Hope → 0.56 mb/n mi | Crawford → 4.05 mb/n mi * 898 mb center (New Hope 898.5 mb): New Hope → 0.56 mb/n mi | Crawford → 5.39 mb/n mi Only the 911 mb center keeps Crawford’s slope inside the inner-edge range (≤ 4 mb/n mi) that matches the improving conditions. At 908 mb, the gradient rises to 3.47 mb/n mi (still marginal), while 905 mb and below push it above 4 mb/n mi into the eyewall-core range. This confirms 911 mb as the lowest central pressure that satisfies the surface observations inside the radar-supported corridor. 1700Z — Eye Reaches New Hope/Sandals A little less than a half hour before landfall, the last direct New Hope measurement (913.5 mb) was recorded inside the eye, but not yet in the true calm. A gradient up to ~2 mb/n mi remains realistic for that inner-edge location. Central pressure 908 mb. Reanalyzed Intensity: 150 kt/908 mb Refined track — 18.047°N, 78.006°W * Sandals: 3.81 n mi * New Hope: 3.33 n mi | 913.5 mb → 1.65 mb/n mi * Crawford: 5.43 n mi | 930.0 mb → 4.05 mb/n mi Sandals (northernmost) — 18.052°N, 78.014°W * Sandals: 3.44 n mi * New Hope: 3.44 n mi | 913.5 mb → 1.60 mb/n mi * Crawford: 5.91 n mi | 930.0 mb → 3.72 mb/n mi Original radar-derived — 18.028°N, 78.002°W * Sandals: 4.55 n mi * New Hope: ~4.2 n mi | 913.5 mb → 1.31 mb/n mi * Crawford: 5.4 n mi | 930.0 mb → 4.07 mb/n mi Sensitivity (refined-track distances) * 908 mb center: New Hope → 1.65 mb/n mi | Crawford → 4.05 mb/n mi * 905 mb center: New Hope → 2.55 mb/n mi | Crawford → 4.60 mb/n mi * 902 mb center (New Hope 913.5 mb): New Hope → 3.45 mb/n mi | Crawford → 5.16 mb/n mi * 895 mb center: New Hope → 5.41 mb/n mi | Crawford → 6.45 mb/n mi Inside the eye, but still outside the calm core, gradients of 1.6–2.0 mb/n mi at New Hope are realistic. Only a central pressure near 908 mb keeps that gradient in acceptable range. Lower values force New Hope into slopes that are simply too steep for the documented eye location. The combination of distance, gradient, and conditions is decisive. At 3.3–3.4 n mi inside the eye, New Hope’s 1.6 mb/n mi slope under 908 mb matches a location that had entered the eye, but not yet the calm core. At the same time, Crawford, still in the eyewall at ~5.4 n mi, recorded “near total whiteout” rather than the earlier “100% whiteout”— a subtle easing that is consistent with a core already filling. An 895–897 mb center would have produced 5+ mb/n mi at New Hope and 6+ mb/n mi at Crawford, and even a 902 mb center already forces New Hope above 3 mb/n mi, which is wholly incompatible with both the eye entry at New Hope and the first noticeable signs of easing at Crawford. The official peak-intensity narrative cannot be reconciled with these simultaneous observations. 1741Z — Crawford Continues to Improve The 915 mb central pressure and the further relaxation of Crawford’s gradient continue the filling that began well before landfall and accelerated further once the center moved inland. As the eye filled, the low-level radius of maximum winds broadened. The light rain, sub-hurricane force winds, and improved visibility at Crawford are the surface expression of that ongoing process. Sandals South Coast remained in calm conditions through ~1745Z. Reanalyzed Intensity: 143 kt/915 mb Refined track — 18.132°N, 77.968°W * Sandals: 1.87 n mi * New Hope: 2.46 n mi * Crawford: 6.26 n mi | 935.6 mb → 3.29 mb/n mi Sandals (northernmost) — 18.137°N, 77.977°W * Sandals: 1.87 n mi * New Hope: 2.75 n mi * Crawford: 6.74 n mi | 935.6 mb → 3.06 mb/n mi Original radar-derived — 18.115°N, 77.966°W * Sandals: 1.38 n mi * New Hope: 1.44 n mi * Crawford: 5.5 n mi | 935.6 mb → 3.75 mb/n mi Sensitivity (refined-track distance) * 915 mb center: Crawford → 3.29 mb/n mi * 912 mb center: Crawford → 3.77 mb/n mi * 910 mb center: Crawford → 4.09 mb/n mi Only the 915 mb center keeps Crawford’s slope (3.29 mb/n mi) consistent with the light rain and “winds well below hurricane force.” At 912 mb, the gradient rises to 3.77 mb/n mi — already too steep for the degree of improvement documented — and 906 mb and below move it into the eyewall-core range. This confirms pressures near 915 mb as those that satisfy the actual surface observations at 1741Z. 1800Z — Lewisville in the eye Thirty-five minutes after landfall. Sandals and New Hope had both moved outside the calm eye, consistent with the end of the lull reported at Sandals South Coast near 1745Z. Reanalyzed Intensity: 140 kt/918 mb Refined track — 18.174°N, 77.950°W * Sandals: 4.52 n mi * New Hope: 5.07 n mi * Lewisville High: 3.06 n mi | 925.5 mb → 2.45 mb/n mi * Crawford: 8.12 n mi | 944.0 mb → 3.20 mb/n mi Sandals (northernmost) — 18.171°N, 77.962°W * Sandals: 4.08 n mi * New Hope: 4.80 n mi * Lewisville High: 3.57 n mi | 925.5 mb → 2.10 mb/n mi * Crawford: 8.17 n mi | 944.0 mb → 3.18 mb/n mi Original radar-derived — 18.149°N, 77.951°W * Sandals: 3.28 n mi * New Hope: 3.63 n mi * Lewisville High: 2.67 n mi | 925.5 mb → 2.81 mb/n mi * Crawford: 6.73 n mi | 944.0 mb → 3.86 mb/n mi 918 mb preserves a normal parabolic profile (gradient increases outward from the center) on all three tracks. The official 910 mb center under the refined position actually inverts the profile and remains too steep considering the eye-edge relative lull still affecting Crawford through ~1805Z. The continued rise from 915 mb at 1741Z to 918 mb is consistent with ongoing frictional filling. Even the official sequence’s abrupt 13 mb pressure rise in the 35 minutes after landfall (a rate of approximately 22 mb/hr) is *still* not enough to close the gap created by the exceedingly low 897 mb landfall value. Under that trajectory, the 1800Z central pressure would still leave gradients at Lewisville and Crawford that are just simply too steep for the observed conditions and that also invert the normal parabolic profile. The surface data require the aforementioned higher landfall pressure; the rapid post-landfall rise assumed in the official record can’t retroactively produce gradients consistent with the observations. Sensitivity (refined-track distances) * 918 mb: Lewisville 2.45 mb/n mi | Crawford 3.20 mb/n mi * 915 mb: Lewisville 3.43 mb/n mi | Crawford 3.57 mb/n mi * 910 mb: Lewisville 5.07 mb/n mi | Crawford 4.19 mb/n mi Only pressures near 918 mb keep both gradients consistent with the post-landfall conditions and a normal parabolic structure. Lower values steepen the slopes and invert the profile unrealistically. 1825Z — Crawford Back in the Eyewall As the center continued to move farther inland, the southern portion of the eyewall moved over Crawford — bringing a return to extreme conditions. Reanalyzed Intensity: 133 kt/923 mb Refined track — 18.210°N, 77.921°W * Sandals: 7.19 n mi * New Hope: 7.65 n mi * Lewisville High: 3.88 n mi * Crawford: 10.00 n mi | 960.5 mb → 3.75 mb/n mi Sandals (northernmost) — 18.207°N, 77.933°W * Sandals: 7.12 n mi * New Hope: 7.50 n mi * Lewisville High: 3.92 n mi * Crawford: 9.88 n mi | 960.5 mb → 3.80 mb/n mi Original radar-derived — 18.185°N, 77.922°W * Sandals: 6.51 n mi * New Hope: 7.02 n mi * Lewisville High: 3.48 n mi * Crawford: 8.50 n mi | 960.5 mb → 4.41 mb/n mi A central pressure of 923 mb produces gradients of 3.75–3.80 mb/n mi on the preferred tracks. Unlike an hour earlier at landfall, these values remain compatible with eyewall conditions once the RMW has broadened in a filling system. Crawford’s return to powerful winds at ~10 n mi with a 3.75 mb/n mi gradient is consistent with the broadened RMW of a filling system that has already lost its tight marine core. The 7 mb rise to 930 mb by 1900Z continues the more accelerated frictional filling following landfall of the center. Sensitivity (refined-track distance) * 923 mb center: Crawford → 3.75 mb/n mi * 920 mb center: Crawford → 4.05 mb/n mi * 918 mb center: Crawford → 4.25 mb/n mi Pressures near 923 mb keep the gradient compatible with the observed powerful winds at the expanded RMW, while maintaining continuity with the 1900Z value. 1900Z — Lewisville Still in the Eyewall By this time Sandals, New Hope, and Crawford were all outside the eyewall, while Lewisville continued to get battered by it. Reanalyzed Intensity: 125 kt/930 mb Refined track — 18.30°N, 77.85°W * Lewisville High: 9.66 n mi * Sandals: 13.99 n mi * New Hope: 14.28 n mi * Crawford: 15.76 n mi Sandals (northernmost) — 18.297°N, 77.861°W * Lewisville High: 9.42 n mi * Sandals: 13.49 n mi * New Hope: 13.83 n mi * Crawford: 15.47 n mi Original radar-derived — 18.275°N, 77.851°W * Lewisville High: 9.13 n mi * Sandals: 12.78 n mi * New Hope: 12.98 n mi * Crawford: 14.32 n mi Lewisville at 9.7 n mi was still inside the broadened eyewall of a continued filling system, while Sandals, New Hope, and Crawford (14–16 n mi) were well outside of it. This matches the end of the calm near 1745Z at Sandals and Crawford’s 1833Z observation of a gradual decrease in conditions as the storm moved farther away. The 12 mb rise from 918 mb at 1800Z continues the frictional filling over interior terrain. No new surface pressure readings are available for this particular hour. 2000Z — Melissa approaching the northern coastline of Jamaica Refined Center: 18.35°N, 77.80°W Intensity: 115 kt/941 mb * Kempshot: 5.0 n mi | 950.7 mb → 1.94 mb/n mi * Hampden: 6.1 n mi | 958.0 mb → 2.78 mb/n mi No tight inner-core structure remains. Gradients of roughly 2–3 mb/n mi at 5–6 n mi are typical of a rapidly filling vortex, whose RMW has broadened and whose boundary layer has been disrupted by prolonged terrain interaction. The slight asymmetry (steeper forward, more relaxed trailing flank) is consistent with frictional compression (slowing and piling up of air against the terrain ahead of the center). 2100Z — Emerging Over Water as a weakened Category 3 Melissa moves back over water as a Category three hurricane, as it heads for eastern Cuba. Track Center: 18.50°N, 77.55°W Reanalyzed Intensity: 105 kt/953 mb * Orange Valley: 8.4 n mi | 960.2 mb → 0.86 mb/n mi * Sawyers: 7.9 n mi | 966.7 mb → 1.73 mb/n mi The core has completed its island-induced filling cycle (61 mb rise from the 892 mb peak). Gradients have collapsed to under 2 mb/n mi across 8 n mi radii. This is the classic “unzipping” process of a small intense core over rugged terrain: where surface friction slows the boundary-layer wind, air piles up inside the former RMW, central pressure rises, the radius of maximum winds expands, and the once-sharp radial pressure slope relaxes and spreads outward. The storm emerges off the northern coast as a broadened, heavily filled vortex rather than a tight marine system. Subsequent reconnaissance will sample and verify this disrupted structure over water. This 61 mb rise did not begin at landfall. It was already underway between the final reconnaissance fixes and continued progressively through final approach and the crossing of the island; the official characterization of a sudden post-landfall collapse does not match the observed sequence. 2200Z–0400Z — Verification of much weakened state Roughly an hour after Melissa moved off the northern Jamaican shoreline, reconnaissance aircraft samples the system’s inner-core for the first time since prior to 1400Z (~ 3.70 hours before landfall). * Reanalyzed baseline: 105 kt/952–953 mb * 2200Z position: 18.60°N, 77.40°W Reconnaissance * NOAA2 fixes at 2210Z and 2253Z (12,000 ft): extrapolated surface pressures 952 mb and 953 mb; flight-level winds 88 kt and 95 kt at a broadened 15 n mi RMW. * TDR: precipitation in the eye at 2210Z; no eye evident on radar by 2253Z. * Later AFRES dropsondes (0242Z, 0437Z): 954 mb and 952 mb. The evening reconnaissance shows a central pressure already in the low-to-mid 950s mb and an RMW that’s expanded to 15 n mi only about one hour after the center left Jamaica. That filled, broadened structure is the direct continuation of the filling already documented on final approach and across the island. A landfall pressure near 912 mb, followed by continued filling to the 952–954 mb values measured only about one hour after the center left Jamaica (41 mb rise), is consistent with that progressive trend. Holding 897 mb at landfall would require a 56 mb rise over the same short interval — an extreme rate that did not occur solely during the ~3.5-hour passage over land. TCR Reasons and Counters The Jamaica intensity section of the Tropical Cyclone Report cites the lack of late reconnaissance and the degraded satellite presentation, then applies only a very slight reduction from the earlier peak to arrive at 160 kt/897 mb at landfall. Each reason is paired below with the actual late-cycle data: Reason: Lack of late reconnaissance and only a slight reduction from peak. Counter: The final center fixes (1302Z–1346Z) showed a measured pressure rise of 2 mb in 44 minutes (2.7 mb/hr) while the core was still very near its peak structure. The official sequence then carries only another 3 mb increase over the next 221 minutes (3.7 hours) to landfall (0.8 mb/hr) while the core interacted with elevated coastal terrain, before requiring an abrupt 13 mb rise in the 35 minutes immediately after landfall (22.3 mb/hr). That rate discontinuity is opposite to the expected topographic response of a compact core and is certainly not supported by the continuous pressure rise recorded at New Hope and Crawford before and across landfall. Even that abrupt post-landfall rise is still not enough to produce gradients at 1800Z consistent with the observed conditions; the surface data require the higher landfall pressure (no less than 910 mb). Reason: New Hope 913.5 mb and Crawford 926.0–933.5 mb readings treated as compatible with 897 mb. Counter: These in-situ data are treated as compatible with an 897 mb center by placing Crawford on the inner edge of the eye and invoking an unsupported steep gradient, in part by citing the 5.4 n mi extrapolated pressure from the final reconnaissance pass. That pass, however, placed the wind maximum near 8 n mi, so 5.4 n mi already lay inside the RMW. A gradient steep enough to bridge 897 mb to Crawford’s pressure over that distance is an eyewall-core value, not an inner-edge eye value. At the documented distances and conditions (Sandals and New Hope on the calm eye floor; Crawford just inside the inner edge with winds easing and a 7.5 mb pressure rise in the last five minutes before landfall), an 897 mb center requires eyewall-scale gradients (4–6+ mb/n mi) across locations the observations clearly place inside the eye. There was no measured 30 mb difference at landfall. That number appears only if the central pressure is assumed to be 897 mb. But, as the hourly blocks have clearly demonstrated, only a central pressure of 910–912 mb keeps both stations inside or at the edge of the eye with gradients that match the reported conditions. Reason: Degraded satellite presentation acknowledged, but given very limited weight. Counter: The unmistakable progressive cloud top warming and loss of organization on infrared satellite imagery continued unabated from 1400Z through landfall and is consistent with a filling core, not with a storm that supposedly remained at 897 mb until the coastline. The hourly sequence shows continuous substantial degradation that matches the measured pressure rise and the surface observations; it is not such a minor adjustment. Conclusion As seen, only a landfall pressure of 910–912 mb keeps both New Hope and Crawford inside or at the edge of the eye with gradients and conditions that actually match the surface reports, across the three center positions tested. The official 897 mb value requires eyewall-scale gradients across locations the observations place on the eye floor and completely ignores the filling already measured hours before landfall. The 1720Z snapshot already requires approximately 911 mb to align with the real-world gradients; the filling was continuous and well underway before the center reached the coast. The official figure is an extrapolation of the open-ocean peak, not a fit to the substantially weakened system that made landfall. Simply put, the objective data leave 150 kt/910–912 mb as the best single intensity estimate the late-cycle observations will support. Unlike the official estimate, which retains near-peak intensity by applying only a very slight reduction to earlier reconnaissance without actually testing the Jamaica surface readings against the documented eye structure, this value is derived solely from a complete analysis of the objective late-cycle data. The immediate post-landfall satellite analysis (1800Z–1915Z) and the full list of references and sources appear in the replies.

My reanalysis of Hurricane Melissa’s landfall in Jamaica places the best single intensity estimate at 150 kt/912 mb by the time the center crossed the coast near New Hope (1725Z), rather than the official 160 kt/897 mb. That is still an extraordinarily powerful high-end Category 5 #hurricane with a small, intense core. This distinction is easy to lose sight of when assessing the highest winds that actually struck land. Because #Melissa was already weakening substantially on final approach, the most extreme portion of the radius of maximum winds (RMW) moved onshore near the iCyclone chase location in Crawford around 1605Z, while the storm still contained maximum sustained winds of 155 kt. Naturally, the immediate beaches there experienced the highest sustained 1-minute wind speeds of the entire landfall sequence. By the time the center actually came ashore about 1.3 hours later, further filling and structural degradation had reduced the intensity, consistent with the New Hope and Crawford eye pressure readings, the pressure trend from the final recon passes, and the progressive satellite changes. Preferring an official record-tier landfall figure when the available evidence shows clear weakening after the last aircraft passes does *not* change the objective record, and it should not distract from what actually happened. Melissa still delivered catastrophic wind, surge, and flooding impacts to western Jamaica. The intensity revision is simply and solely about scientific and historical accuracy; it most certainly doesn’t lessen the devastation or the misery inflicted on the people who lived through it. The storm was extreme either way, and the strongest winds on land occurred earlier in the process than the center-crossing time suggests. P.S., for those who might be wondering, my best estimate of the absolute highest 3-second wind gust Josh likely experienced is no less than 210 mph!