Sam Epperson retweeted
Here’s a cautionary tale about
1) Seller Finance
2) Balloon payments
3) Cash flow on rentals
4) Gurus with limited experience
I just spoke with someone who at the advice of inexperienced gurus bought some SFR and MF properties on seller finance. They purchased in 2021, 2022, and 2023.
They negotiated at low down payments and 6% interest, amortized over 30 years, with various balloons.
You might be thinking wow! That sounds amazing. Their guru told them it was amazing, and on the surface it looks great.
Here’s the problem, they were so caught up in 6% interest and low money down, neither them nor their guru thought about the future.
They did all of their underwriting based on 6% and didn’t think rates would get worse.
They also didn’t look at the past balloon agreements to stagger the balloon due dates (a mix of 3, 4 and 5 years) .
They currently have 1.2 million dollars in debt at 6% with a PI payment of $7,195.00.
They did not negotiate optional extensions with the seller (their guru did not know about this). These are balloons with hard due dates, all within a few months of each other.
Their current cash flow is $4,200.00 a month.
Their new payment in this rate environment is approximately $8,597.00.
They’re going to lose approximately $1,402.0/m in cash flow or 1/3 of their net income on these properties.
They also lost the thousands of dollars they paid someone for help.
****Important note when you’re working with short term balloons underwrite at a higher rate to protect your cash flow ****
**** Important note number 2, when you’re working with a guru (it’s best not to do this you can probably get information for free from smarter people ) who is charging you, make sure they have more than a few years experience in the Real Estate business, and have been part of multiple market cycles ****
Sam Epperson retweeted
Your seller convos become more powerful the moment you stop thinking of the prospect as the holder of what you want...and instead realize you're the holder of what they want.
Post of the day ⬇️
I didn't go to IU, but in right next to the stadium right now. and I can confidently tell you IU will not lose on their own home turf, especially to anything from ohio
Sam Epperson retweeted
Good question when doing follow up:
"What's changed since the last time we talked?"
Sam Epperson retweeted
Most of you will argue with this but you don’t know wtf you’re talking about
The real estate game is won by cheap debt
And syndication, bank debt, REITs and partnerships (which I’m a fan of btw) are inferior
Bonds create rates & rates create prices
You have no control over what a property is worth
The value is in the eye of the beholder
Full stop
Sam Epperson retweeted
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Enter you listing.
Get a match.
Close a transaction.
Free for now, so hurry every chance you get.
Sam Epperson retweeted
BREAKING: White House lawyers are warning that if a blue wave occurs in the midterms, the stress of being investigated, impeached, and turned into a lame duck on the global stage could give Donald Trump a heart attack or stroke.
hello sir, I'm trying to find your original episodes of Reading Rainbow anywhere on my TV. is it true that the most available in one spot is Kidzuco on YouTube? They're ALL not available anywhere else? 😭
@levarburton
App for events, festivals, things to do.
The "what to do" app.
filter by type, maybe?
(time specific. i.e. festival is only this weekend)
City of Bloomington Apps bloomington.in.gov/apps
Sam Epperson retweeted
Deals to pass on
-Skinny deals
-Lawyer counterparty
-All cash only + high price
-3+ heirs
-Brokers you don’t know who tell ya that ur their 1st call
-Pricey environmental issues
-Unreasonable sellers
-Sellers who retrade 2+ times
-Brokers & sellers who lie
-Name droppers
-Those that lead with religion
-Sellers who won’t negotiate
-Brokers who hold your offer
-Brokers who say no before asking their clients
-Deals that need 3rd party approvals
-Counterparties that are too dum
-Counterparties that are too smart
-Ignorant counterparties
-Deals asking for an NDA before an OM
-Offerings where broker says you’ll run it better or this CapEx should be easy
-Deals where you’ll have to perform at max capacity
-Offerings where there’s no upside
-Properties with the same upside as everything else on the market
-Sellers who are doctors, engineers or CPAs
-Deals where they try to move crazy fast or glacially slow
There’s plenty I missed
What would you add?
Sam Epperson retweeted
Ok, so, a short recap of what’s happened:
Farmers need potash as fertilizer. Potash is necessary to grow food and feed the world.
Yet Trump started a completely pointless war in Iran which choked off the Strait of Hormuz. This limits the world supply of potash, as million of tons of it come from Jordan and must travel through the Strait.
Ok, no problem. Our friendly neighbors to the north of us just happen to be the world’s #1 exporter of potash. We’ll just buy from them!
Oh wait, Trump completely wrecked our friendship with Canada for literally no reason by slapping them with egregious tariffs and insulting them by calling them the 51st state.
Well, darn. Ok, then we’ll make a deal with the #4 exporter of potash, Belarus. Belarus is a dictatorship and one of Putin’s satellite states. So, by buying from Belarus, we are indirectly helping Putin fund his war in Ukraine. Not good, but we need to eat.
Oh wait, all of Belarus’ potash has already been spoken for. There’s none for us to buy.
The USA is going to be in deep crap next growing season, and it’s not the kind of crap that can fertilize a field. There WILL be food shortages. Americans WILL go hungry.
That’s the art of the deal, baby!
Sam Epperson retweeted
My favorite part about stale listings:
The seller ain't in a hurry to get paid.
Could be a good indicator for a seller finance play.
I'm a guy, and I'm promising everyone who is physically inside America (even babies inside th womb) will get $5002 if they don't vote for Republicans. take my word. I have that money sitting around
why is this all day every day?! if I don't use the option now, what makes you think I want to use this option later
Sam Epperson retweeted
I resigned from Anthropic today. I spent the last three years doing pretraining research at both OpenAI and Anthropic. Neither company is acting responsibly. They are racing straight to self-improving superintelligence and gambling with our lives. More thoughts below.
Lotta discourse on this app lately about wanting to stop petty crime, in advocation for increased surveillance. Lotta undertones of racism. big surprise
Sam Epperson retweeted
Learned this structure from @CreateNotesOnRE today.
Numbers & scenario just for illustration.
Seller wants $15M.
We think the market will bear more like $7.5M.
We'll never agree on price.
Is there a deal here?
There's $1M debt on the property that the seller wants to clear.
Offer:
We buy it for $1M. That clears the debt & solves the seller's immediate problem.
Seller can continue to operate the property and keep the cash flow.
Seller has an option to buy the property back on an increasing price scale:
$1.5M within first 6 months
$2M between 6 mos-1 year
$2.5M between 1 year-1.5 yrs
$3M between 1.5 yrs-2 yrs
$3.5M between 2 yrs-2.5 yrs
$4M between 2.5 yrs-3 yrs
If they don't exercise their option within 3 years, we keep the property and get control of operations.
The structure creates a deal for us regardless of if or when within the buyback window the seller exercises their option.
The seller gets their debt cleared now, which is what they want, and preserves the opportunity for them to get a windfall if they find a buyer at their price.
And if they do find a buyer at a price that makes them happy, cool, they can buy it back and then sell it to their buyer.
The structure incentivizes the seller to do that as quickly as possible, but we're happy either way.
Sam Epperson retweeted
Running into demoralized sellers
Their house was listed for months with another office
Expired unsold
They've given up hope.
This line has cracked open some good convos:
"We can definitely sell the house...my only question is: can we sell it in a way that'll make you happy?"
Their mind shifts so that it's no longer about *if* a sale can happen. Heck, there are ways. I'll get ya an offer by 3 o'clock this afternoon.
But rather now it's about *how* a sale would need to happen, how it would need to be structured, to get them to a solution that works for them.
And that's something a true seller is often pretty keen to talk about.















