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After 6 months of failed pulls, I finally got Lucina, along with the Brave Lucina as a gift. #FireEmblemHeroes
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America is for Americans. France is for the French. Italy is for Italians. Sweden is for Swedes. Korea is for Koreans. Japan is for the Japanese. Every normal nation on earth understands this. Somehow it's only a sin for the West and now the East.
America is for Americans.
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Young men shifted Dem +38. Something has gone terribly wrong.
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One of democracy's greatest flaws as a system is it relies on large numbers of low-information voters
You can call this fraud or whatever but it's just an indictment of democracy. 2% of Alaskans saw two of the same name and could neither identify the right person by party or take their damn phone out to figure it out
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Japan and America both have their own unique cultures, but neither country seeks to impose its culture on others. We simply want to preserve our traditions, our values, and our identities. There's nothing wrong with Americans preserving American culture or Japanese people preserving Japanese culture. That's what makes our friendship so special. We can take pride in who we are while respecting each other for who we are. Japan and America are ideal partners, united by mutual respect. It sounds simple, but this kind of relationship is much harder to achieve between nations than people realize. 🇯🇵🤝🇺🇸❤️
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the reason why the republicans won in 2024 is cuz the democrats are incompetent idiots the reason why the democrats are winning in 2026 is cuz the republicans are incompetent idiots
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Robin retweeted
the republicans were handed the country on a silver platter for the first time in a long time culturally & politically and basically did nothing with it except bomb iran. historical fumble.
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The GOP establishment will not take tonight’s results as a sign to become more based and right-wing. They’ll use tonight’s losses as an indictment against Trump and “racism” and therefore do whatever they can to drag us back to pre-Trump neoconservatism.
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Boomers like this ushered in mass immigration, sexual dysfunction, and the systematic destruction of the America they inherited. They handed my generation a broken country, then lash out when young patriots dare to fight for its future. I hope he's thrown in prison.
Calmest guy at the polling place today in NH was the 18-year old that got swung at. We want conversation, not violence!
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If you vote illegally, we will find you. We will track you down, arrest you, and prosecute you. There will be no escape.
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Unless a mega nuke of drops I don't see the Ember drama continuing beyond what has already been released, and it seems clear everyone has picked their stances on it with little give on the subject. As such I can only really see it continuing from those refusing to drop it moving forward - so i am going to give a quick summery of my thoughts and move on from the subject: Ember is exposed as a good person; who simply let one poor choice continue for longer then it needed. @darlingstrawbie usurped the Girls and Ember's agency by bringing it to the public light creating a domino of broken emotions - when things could have been handled privately. That is on Strawb entirely. The emotions of betrayal anyone feels towards Ember is also valid. And that is on Ember for not being more transparent with them. I still think overall if Strawb had realized her views on ember did not take priority over the feelings the truth would most hurt; things could have gone differently. Assuming someone is going to lie then acting based on that unproven assumption is a poor excuse and literally a baseless foundation to act off of. If Strawb had gone to Ember and simply said 'Hey I believe you are a guy and this is why- *presents evidence*'. Then you could say you tried and no one would have hounded you for going public- (well not as much anyway.) Did you owe Ember a private conversation? No. Did you owe it to your friends who this would affect to at least try a DM? well if you wanted to be the one to handle it - then yes. If not - then you shouldn't have gone public to start with. But i myself firmly believe Ember would have admitted it. Ember could have had the chance themselves to right their wrong. But Strawb robbed any chance of that. Any chance of a healthier outcome for both Ember and the girls effected. @MommaOcco_ worded it best "I thought, based off the amount of times that so many of these other people where cancelled, that they would have poured some of that Grace to somebody that was one of their biggest cheerleaders." -- PS: The book doesnt matter. It's fiction; move on.
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This will be my final post concerning the Ember Paradox controversy. I will not be debating this matter any further, so I want to make my position absolutely clear. My reason for speaking out was never to prolong the drama, defend every decision Ember has made, or start some crusade against Strawb, Rev, or Tectone. It was to bring attention to a serious safety concern and encourage people to DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. Instead, I've spent more time responding to accusations, insults, straw men, and arguments about who is responsible than discussing what we can actually do to protect someone. And frankly, I'm deeply disappointed. We have documented an attempt to expose Ember's offline identity. We also know that Kiwi Farms has a documented history of doxxing, targeted harassment, threats, and swatting. That history makes the situation worth taking seriously, even though it doesn't establish that a physical attack against Ember is imminent. Yet somehow, asking people to work together to prevent further harm has become more controversial than the behavior we're trying to prevent. Think about that for a moment. Nobody wants to be doxxed. Nobody wants to be stalked, assaulted, maimed, or killed. Nobody wants their family endangered because someone on the internet decided they were an acceptable target. There's a reason people don't generally advertise their home addresses, private phone numbers, and personal information to complete strangers. Privacy and personal safety matter to EVERYONE, regardless of their beliefs, disagreements, or moral character. That should be common ground. I've repeatedly been accused of blaming Strawb, Rev, and Tectone for personally carrying out or coordinating the attempted exposure. I have made no such claim. The person who attempted the exposure is responsible for that action. But creators are also responsible for their own decisions, the accusations they publicize, and the standards they enforce within their communities. Strawb chose to make this controversy public. Other creators amplified it. Their commentary subsequently appeared in discussions on a hostile forum, where an attempt to expose Ember's identity was documented. That does not prove criminal coordination or establish that the exposure would never have happened otherwise. But it makes the proportionality of the original public accusations and the consequences of sensationalizing them legitimate subjects for scrutiny. And let's be clear: confirming Ember's biological sex did not automatically establish allegations of deliberate private deception, sexual exploitation, or supposed fetish-driven motivations. Those accusations require evidence of their own. Accountability means holding people responsible for what can actually be established, not whatever our assumptions lead us to believe. Now, concerning the people who keep insisting that silence is the best solution. I understand the danger of drawing unnecessary attention to exposed information. I've never advocated distributing Ember's alleged identity, and I've already reported accounts directing people toward identifying material. But discretion is not the same as inaction. We can act without spreading the information. Creators can reinforce anti-doxxing rules and enforce them. Moderators can remove identifying material, block malicious links, and ban people encouraging harassment. Ordinary users can report violations without reposting them. Trusted volunteers, with Ember's consent, can preserve evidence privately for platform safety teams or appropriate authorities. Ember or authorized helpers can pursue qualifying search-result removals, improve account security, and reduce further exposure of personal information. And credible physical threats can be documented and reported to law enforcement. NONE OF THIS REQUIRES INTERACTING WITH KIWI FARMS. We don't have to convince malicious people to become decent human beings. We can limit their opportunities to spread information and hurt others. Some critics have told me their communities already enforce anti-doxxing rules. If that's true, excellent! That's precisely the behavior I'm encouraging. It deserves recognition, not dismissal. And yes, Ember has already publicly condemned threats against Strawb's children and Tectone's unborn child, and reported banning those responsible. She demonstrated that you can oppose harassment without accepting responsibility for someone else's actions. I'm asking everyone else to uphold that same principle. I am not demanding public humiliation, apologies, or the withdrawal of legitimate criticism. I'm asking people to recognize that protecting another human being is more important than winning an internet argument. Two biblical principles have guided me since childhood. Matthew 7:12 Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Proverbs 3:27 Do not withhold good from those to whom it is due when it is in your power to act. Those aren't empty words to me. If this were Strawb being targeted, I would defend her right to privacy. If it were Rev, I would do the same. If it were Tectone, Maria, or anyone who has spent the last several hours insulting me, my position wouldn't change. You do not have to like someone to recognize their right to safety. And that's what has disappointed me most about this entire response. People have been more interested in attacking my motives, defending their favorite personalities, and arguing about whether anyone is obligated to help than discussing the actual measures available to reduce the danger. Not everyone who disagreed with me acted in bad faith. Some raised legitimate concerns about unnecessary publicity, and those concerns deserve consideration. But those concerns should lead us toward safer, more effective intervention—not another endless argument about which side gets to claim the moral high ground. My entire moral framework rests on life, liberty, and consequences. We have the liberty to speak, the responsibility to consider the consequences of our choices, and the moral obligation to protect human life when reasonably within our power. This is not about choosing Ember over Strawb, or Strawb over Ember. This is about choosing basic human decency over tribal loyalty. So here's my final request. Stop spreading identifying information. Report people who do. Help moderators enforce sensible rules. Preserve evidence privately. Respect Ember's wishes. Support appropriate safety measures. And apply those standards consistently, even when the person being targeted is someone you dislike. I'm not asking anyone to solve every problem on the internet. I'm asking people to do what good they reasonably can. That's all I ever wanted from bringing attention to this situation. I've made my case. I've addressed the objections. I've provided actionable steps for anyone genuinely interested in helping. This is my final statement on the matter. I will not be entertaining further arguments or responding to additional provocations. I sincerely hope people put aside their disagreements long enough to recognize that nobody deserves to have their privacy or physical safety threatened over internet drama. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. If those words mean anything, then live by them. Protect people. Don't endanger them. .#EmberParadox #VTuber #StopDoxxing
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Replying to @TheeHolyBall
Christ should never be used as a shield or a crutch to justify mean-girl antics. That's not what God is for, yet people are so quick to invoke His name when it suits their narrative, even if it means tearing someone else down. Faith should encourage compassion, humility, and accountability, not become a convenient excuse for cruelty. This entire situation was handled poorly. I can understand the arguments from both sides, and I can acknowledge that Ember was wrong without agreeing with how everything unfolded. Those two things are not mutually exclusive. But frankly, the way this has played out has left me disgusted. I've been hesitant to stick my neck out, but not because I dislike Ember or because I'm afraid of people disliking me. It's because the entire situation feels ugly. There's something deeply unsettling about watching people become so consumed with tearing someone apart that they seem to forget there's an actual human being on the receiving end. It genuinely feels like the Devil stirring up hatred for the sake of hatred, and people are all too willing to participate. We should be standing together, not looking for reasons to divide ourselves further. We're supposed to be "retarded, yes, but not alone," and yet here we are, seemingly determined to isolate one of our own. I'm not going to let public outrage dictate who I'm supposed to hate. I refuse to be pressured into hating Ember simply because others have decided that's the appropriate response. Holding someone accountable and treating them as irredeemable are two entirely different things. And while I recognize that people have every right to feel hurt or betrayed, the way Strawb and Maria approached this bothers me greatly. There were better ways to handle this without turning it into a spectacle. Accountability doesn't require public humiliation, and compassion doesn't mean excusing dishonesty. More than anything, this entire ordeal has reminded me why I became so antisocial in the first place. Watching people preach morality and righteousness while seemingly abandoning compassion the moment it's inconvenient is exhausting. I don't have to defend Ember's mistakes to recognize that something about the way this was handled feels fundamentally wrong. And I refuse to pretend otherwise.
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This case really has nothing to do with ladder pulling. Tectone is only concerned about Tectone. His content is drama based and always has been even as a “single game” streamer like Genshin. He’s always made drama about haters and painted himself as “the good guy” If you are a wrestling fan, he’s basically Sami Zayn’s current persona but as a streamer. When you match his actions to his audio it doesn’t match. Dramatubers have a format for success. What they’ll tell you what is going on based on their framing as a narrative. There’s victims or heroes, they face unjust scrutiny or there’s a villain doing bad, and then the bad gets their punishment(FAFO). All while framing themselves and the dear viewer who supports them as the prevailers of justice. There will always be a narrative to keep you invested. If you watch Revsaysdesu that is the narrative framework on nearly every video. When Tectone’s opening dialogue is easily countered within 5 seconds of me doing a quick AI dive into Ember’s opinions and their consistency, you know he wasn’t looking for the truth. He was looking for content. And he always will. My opinions haven’t changed on Ember and this is not a defense of him. He’s not afraid of small vtubers, he’s afraid of not having content to stay relevant so he pounces onto anything like a starving dog with meat. Below is the bare minimum 5 second AI fact check that opposes his opening narrative.
Seems my intuition about someone being nervous about "Small VTubers" was right. Seems a few someone. Pulling up the ladder as people start to climb. Job security, I guess. I 100% called it that the whole thing is an op. I'm certain Ember is the victim of a smear campaign because "bots" were sucking up too many views, and the big dogs need to get that bread, amirite? There's only so much attention to go around afterall. I watched everything in context, it's not to "Bots" who are lying... youtu.be/e7Dz2xGT0EE?si=3YNi…
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Robin retweeted
Kirsche, I like and support you. You are one of the exceedingly few streamers that I actually tune into sometimes (I’m more of a YouTube viewer, typically). I enjoy your content, and continue to do so, regardless of your ultimate opinion on this matter. The same also holds true for Ember. I say this as someone who agrees with many of your takes and has supported you through multiple cancellation attempts against you: 1. I genuinely don’t know how old you are, but some of us remember some pretty major battles with regards to the right to remain anonymous online. To some, the online persona is indistinguishable from the person. Whoever is behind the screen doesn’t matter. Bearing in mind that I don’t speak at all on Ember’s behalf. I can’t claim to know what’s going on in his head, and I’d like more transparency, if he’s willing to give it. I genuinely hope he goes on sidescrollers and gives an honest account. 2. I don’t claim to know how professional v-tuber content creators interact behind the scenes, but I have to imagine that a certain amount of distance is maintained. I imagine that the circle of people who know your real name and face is incredibly small. Because the results of them being revealed to the wrong person could be catastrophic. How many times do you have to collaborate with someone, or talk to them in DM’s, before you are obligated to reveal your name and face? I imagine that Ember’s sex as a man has similar gravity for his career. I’m not saying that that’s why he even shows to maintain his secrecy. Once again, I do not speak on his behalf. I’m just trying to put myself in his shoes. I have to imagine that this is at least a contributing factor. Is it healthy? I would say not, in the long run. I think ultimately this turn towards more open honesty will be considerably healthier. But there are those conflating it with predation or malice, and that seems to at least be a hasty conclusion without further evidence. 3. Finally, addressing your point about utilizing the female persona to advance his career: maybe. Hell, probably. It’s be the smart thing to do, statistically, if the goal is to ultimately turn streaming into a career. But that’s hardly unique. Respectfully, why are you a cute anime foxu? Certainly, some of it comes down to aesthetic choices. But did no thought go into the marketability of your character? If not, then so be it. But I suppose I just don’t see the same level of sin in making a marketable persona just because it’s a man piloting a digital female. Everyone knows there are no foxes in boston. That doesn’t mean I won’t leave a bowl of ketchup out on the porch in case one passes by lol. Sorry for the long-ass post. I wish you the best, truly.
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Kirsche..I think you and Leaflit are talking past each other here. I understand your point about trust and genuine friendships, but I think there's an important distinction about online identities that you're overlooking. When I interact with you here, I'm interacting with Kirsche. The VTuber. That's the identity you've created and chosen to express yourself through. I can enjoy your content, agree or disagree with your opinions..have meaningful conversations with you and even become your friend. But I don't actually know the entire person sitting behind the screen. And I don't need to. That's the distinction i'm trying to explain. The internet allows people to exist through identities they've created. Sometimes those identities closely resemble the person operating them. Sometimes they're completely different. Most are probably somewhere in between. The person behind the screen decides how much of themselves they express through that identity. And that's perfectly normal. Does that make our interactions fake? Of course not. The conversations are real..the emotions are real and the friendships can absolutely be real too. But the identity I'm getting to know is still Kirsche, not necessarily the entire human behind Kirsche. And this is where I think your reasoning goes wrong. You're taking the idea that everyone presents some kind of persona online and turning it into "everyone is dishonest and nobody should be trusted." Why? How does one logically lead to the other? I can trust you as Kirsche without pretending I know everything about the person behind Kirsche. I can appreciate our conversations, respect your opinions and even consider you a friend without knowing your real name, appearance or private life. And if we eventually become close enough to share those things, wonderful. But that's another level of trust we're choosing to establish. It doesn't automatically come with being friends online. Now does any of this mean lying is acceptable? No. Does it mean people can't betray each other online? Obviously not. The human behind the avatar is still responsible for what they do through it. Morals don't suddenly disappear because we're on the internet. But there's a difference between somebody deliberately deceiving you and somebody simply not being the person you imagined behind their character isn't it? I've experienced this myself. I've known people online for over ten years, eventually met them in real life and discovered they were completely different from how I'd imagined them. Did that make the previous ten years meaningless? Of course not. I simply got to know another side of them. And with AI..voice changers and modern technology..this distinction is becoming even more important. You can interact with somebody for years, know their opinions and personality extremely well and still have absolutely no idea who they are physically. So when you suggest that recognizing online personas means nobody has a right to complain about betrayal, I genuinely don't understand how you reached that conclusion. You can recognize that you don't know everything about somebody and still expect honesty from them. Those things aren't contradictory. And I think this is the real question. At what point does becoming friends with an online identity give you the right to know the physical person behind it? Because to me friendship creates trust. It doesn't create an entitlement to somebody else's private life. That's how the internet has always been. It's a world where we interact through identities we create, where genuine relationships can exist without those identities being complete representations of our offline selves. And I think quite alot of the drama we're seeing comes from people forgetting that distinction.
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I really hope you read this Kirsche- I met my wife online. We've been together over 10 years now. Obviously there can be trust, and real meaningful connections. I'm still friends with people I met that used anime girl avatars over 12 years ago. But I still fully agree with Leaflit's post. Whole heartedly. -- But what I would like to point out, Leaflit's post didn't even contain the word trust- The problem is coming at this from a position of trying to quantify trust, trust is such an ephemeral thing. Look at the whole H3H3 Drama- a marriage of what 20 something years ended. I think Ethan and Hila trusted one another with their whole hearts, until it ended. Would you trust someone you just met with your deepest most personal secrets? Obviously not. Trust is gained, and given. It can be broken by best friends and strangers alike. We all modulate our trust based on how much of a connection we feel with someone. You'll never know someone's motives whether you see their face or not. So coming at this from a position of trust, that's something you'll never be able to quantify if someone is trustworthy until it is tested, even then, perhaps not. You'll never have a satisfactory answer to the question of 'Can you trust this person'. -- That's why this is framed as matter of culture. You can see the very clear dividing lines here, those that have been very prominent in early internet culture and those that have fully adopted the original values of vtubing, very much believe in this. It stems from a belief that everyone is owed privacy and anonymity, that you need only break that anonymity as far as you are comfortable. I don't need to know all the personal details to a person behind their avatar or in game character to connect with them. I connect with what is presented simply understanding that there is more to them that is unknown to me. They don't owe it to me to tell me about themselves, to know more than what they would like me to. And the same applies to me. We can build a more personal connection, should we desire to. Then I bear with me still, because I fully understand that despite that you believe that Ember presenting himself and suggesting that he was a female, is simply a lie. However - Within that same culture is a virtue of presenting yourself as you wanted to be. This is why we call it a persona, we all had our in game avatars and no one ever used their real face (not until Myspace and even then it didn't really catch on until more 'normies' and boomers started using Facebook). Before it was ever called a larp or lie, you consider it a persona or roleplaying. Guys and girls could act in a way that would be frowned upon and judged by someone if they were to look at them. In all the acne, with all their flaws. We were talking about games, nerdy hobbies, glomping and rawring, no matter how cringe it was - It was a space where that judgement didn't exist and it was by design, it was consensual by everyone involved that we know that was the garden we were playing in, and basically we all loved it. From that very culture is where vtubing came from. And why you can see, it shares so much overlap. Your vtuber avatar is hardly going to match how you actually look, its skin is flawless, you can be a cat girl, with perfect colored hair, wide beautiful eyes, you can be that idealized persona. Things that are simply not possible for you to have. So I would think that is something you should understand. If there is no appeal to it, why not just stream with your face or make your avatar to perfectly match you? Is it a lie that you present yourself in what many who have that normie mentality to be an inauthentic way? You would never form a connection with a normie who has that mentality through your vtuber avatar. If you went on a Discord, Zoom or FaceTime call with someone that you didn't really know that well or were meeting for the first time, if it was someone who wasn't really someone who engaged in online spaces- do you not think they would have this same mentality to you that you have to Ember? They would judge you thinking, 'why you aren't showing them your real face', they would assume that you're ugly and wretched, or that you're otherwise trying to deceive them. They would consider every aspect of your avatar a lie about who you are. - But we don't. We don't consider it a lie if your skin isn't flawless and you're a little shorter or more awkward than you present yourself online. We understand that what you present is part of you, that idealized version of yourself. And it doesn't matter what that is. If you find out someone wasn't the height they said, or the character they played as didn't match their gender, or they were fat or they weren't as confident- that never really mattered. Because that never changed the person that you came to like in the first place. The times you shared, were no less just because of those details. You could say it's different if they tried to use that to date or scam you, but so long as you're just befriending them, there is no harm. There was no reason in that culture, our culture, the culture of the natural internet denizen, to break that persona. To doxx any detail of them is an affront to that belief that you are free to present yourself as you wish, that it is your given right as a human to privacy an anonymity. -- Final aside- All this stuff about trans and needing to know details about someone and 'female only spaces' that's all normie stuff that didn't exist then, no one would have thought the dude playing a female night elf was trans. I still remember talking to a long time friend of mine, that used Ike from fireemblem as an avatar and played as a male character in game, and when I finally talked to that person on the landline phone- I was shocked to find out that he was a she. And that never changed our friendship. She was a tomboy but was very much neither trans nor gay. So it does go both ways.
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I also understand both sides, but think especially the chat stuff is getting blown way out of proportion. I, a man, was in that chat a MONTH before Strawb showed up. Now, to be fair, apparently there were multiple chats, and this one was a presumed space with only females before I arrived. Also, some of them are young married women, so I do get that some of them would NOT have engaged in such jokes if they knew it was a man, that's true as well. Although there were still spicy jokes after men were in the space as well. I absolutely get people feeling betrayed, and I do not like lying. I also think this was all a gayop and Ember, however you feel about what they did, has been treated very unfairly by what turned into a witchhunt, involving a bunch of our retarded enemies, and even a bunch of bots. I've seen a TON of sus stuff and accounts when it comes to this. I think it was intentionally meant to destroy cohesion. I think our enemies were feeding information to people too. People who have gone after Leaf, Powdur, you, and more. People are being had. Doesn't mean anyone has to forgive Ember, everyone gets to make up their own minds, and being a "victim" doesn't mean they're innocent, and like I said, I do understand the people feeling betrayed, and I don't like that some of my other friends and people I like were hurt by this. But Ember has always been good to me, I don't stab friends in the back, and I always thought they were very likely a man. I don't like the lying, but I personally do not feel betrayed by Ember.
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I think part of this has to do with the fact that vtubing has adopted the absolute worst traits of idol culture such as the parasocialism and whatnot. It’s why you got people getting pissed when Nimi announced she was getting married as an example way back. Your vtuber model is part of your branding. It’s why no one questions Smii7y as an example being a milk bag because it’s his branding. I have always called out that Ember not labeling himself as a babiniku from the get go was wrong, but I will also call out people for not noticing the obvious signs like his mannerisms and going “well, if I knew Ember was a guy I wouldn’t have talked about that stuff during that livestream or DM” ignoring the fact that it (whatever they claim made them uncomfortable now) was said on a livestream in front of hundreds/thousands of men chatters. There’s a lesson to take out of this. Guys using female avatars, make it clear you’re a dude even if we have to deal with outright discrimination because of how little opportunity guy vtubers get unless you cater to the yaoi weirdos. Girls, shut the hell up about the hyper intimate details (the kind that reveals your irl/doxxable details) about your private life even amongst your “girlfriends” online. What I worry from this thing is how many people will now support having to dox themselves to “protect the female spaces” when practicing basic internet safety will do wonders.
I’m an antisocial nerd, so I’m bad at communicating. I asked AI to help clean up my flow of consciousness to be more easily understandable for everyone. This is the last thing I’ll say on the Ember situation… sorry it is long, you don’t have to read it: The old internet was built for this. Social circles, MMOs, avatars, and handles let people be themselves or be something else entirely. You could be a different gender, a different species, a completely invented person, and the space treated that as normal rather than a problem to solve. For a lot of nerds, that was the point. The character was the version of you that existed there. You didn’t owe anyone a tour of the body sitting at the keyboard just because they decided they liked talking to you. Ember said “I’m a woman” and “I’m not a man.” In my rule set, that was still the character. The whole point of kayfabe is that the persona speaks as the persona. If the character is a woman, the character says she’s a woman. That doesn’t automatically turn into a claim that the person behind the account is biologically female, any more than a male VTuber playing a catgirl is claiming to be a cat. I don’t have a problem with Ember keeping the female character. Online, the persona is the person you’re dealing with. The avatar, the voice, the consistent presentation—that’s the identity that exists in the space. Other creators invited that character into chats and talked to the character. I don’t think that created a debt for Ember to exit the character and hand over real-world information just because people wanted to be friends. No one has shown proof of coercion or Ember pushing for sexual stuff beyond basic banter. It was ordinary chatting under the assumption created by the kayfabe. From the older internet rule I use, you aren’t owed someone’s offline body just because they presented their persona to you. Treating the later discovery as proof they should have confessed earlier feels entitled to me. They invited the avatar. The avatar showed up. The rest was optional. This only looks like a clear case of deception if you already start from the position that the physical person must override the character once the conversation is personal, or that anything the character says about being a woman is a literal claim about the operator’s body. I don’t start from that position. It’s a different standard for what an online identity is allowed to be, not a shared rule that one side is simply failing. The online person shared with you about their real self if they wanted. I understand why they’re upset though. From their culture , they entered those chats under a working assumption that the presented sex matched the real one, shared things they say they wouldn’t have shared otherwise, and later treated the mismatch as a broken premise. That feels like a violation if you believe the physicality stays relevant in private online relationships. I get that reaction. I just don’t share the rule that makes the offline details something other people were entitled to in the first place. This is why I don’t understand it myself outside of emulation.
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Replying to @AngryDuck_HQ
I have a confession to make... I... can't believe I am even saying this but... I used to pretend to be a girl in WoW to get money from guys in Goldshire or in front of Stormwind, back in high school. My advantage came from the fact that my classroom in high school had 3 boys including myself and... 27 girls! (now ask me if it was heaven or hell 😆) I knew how they talked and behaved. I am sorry but the value of one gold coin was a lot back then for a new player that didn't know shit. Anyway this related to the GIRL = guy in real life😅
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