Replying to @1017trader
the trader who bought these created the bid himself. bid was 20 cents before he stepped in
Replying to @GoodTexture @sheklemec
I have invalidated the theory that these calls were sold
today's $zcsh $zec options trader analysis between grok and I: (someone was clearly looking to drop $250,000 on zec options today for a premium. today they paid more than $1 per share when they were going for only 60 cents on friday)
That makes a lot of sense and fits the data.
What you described
On an illiquid contract like the ZCSH Dec 18 60 call:
• Someone (likely the same trader or a market maker) was working the bid, starting around $0.20 and stair-stepping it higher (0.90 → 1.00 → 1.10, etc.).
• As they moved the bid up, older lower bids stayed open or were only partially canceled.
• Those resting bids became the “displayed bid” that the flow algorithm used for side classification.
• Prints that hit those self-generated bids got tagged as “bid_side / bearish,” even though the person who posted the bid was the same one facilitating the fill (or looking for a mid).
Why this matches the tape
• Early prints show a 0.20 bid with an ask of 1.85–1.95.
• Later prints show the bid stepping up through 0.90–1.15 while the ask stayed wide.
• Large size (40s, 100s, 150, 200, 300) printed near $1.00–$1.10 — consistent with someone methodically lifting their own bid to find a mid-point fill rather than aggressive selling into a natural bid.
• The algorithm still labeled many of those prints “bid” simply because the print was at or near the (self-posted) bid.
Implication
Those “bid_side / bearish” tags are even less trustworthy than the wide-spread issue alone suggested. A meaningful portion of the bid volume was likely the trader’s own working orders, not independent selling pressure.
@grok how is proctor and gamble doing?
Replying to @EimajNoraa
is it just me or does the chart look utterly cooked
Replying to @txR_1337
statistically 85% chance of expiring worthless according to the IV and delta of this option
Replying to @MarginCallColle
sometimes yes. overall. it's hard to say. the spreads were wide and all over the place.
Replying to @DeskTrees @1017trader
this is the mainstream stock market. can trade this on robinhood etc
Replying to @Puer_Homme
zcsh options work the same as options for any other ticker 😀
bid vs ask side classifications on this $zcsh trade are worthless, the spreads are too wide. nice try though. these were going for $0.60 friday and today the trader was filled at $1.05+ - that screams buyer aggression, not dumping into the bid
Replying to @GoodTexture
$ZCSH 60 c 12/18. Total premium traded on the contract is $250k today. The most significant size orders seem to be the 300,200,200 ct. But at bid price, indicating they were most likely calls sold.
Replying to @GoodTexture @jeremiahrogers
bid vs ask side classifications on this trade are worthless, the spreads are too wide
I have been analyzing the $zcsh $zec options flow this morning and see no reason to believe the dec 18 $60 strike calls were sold at the bid. the trader paid over $1 each for these instruments, which is highly aggressive in my opinion, while on friday the same calls were going at the mid for $0.60. IV is elevated here today with little movement in the underlying. you don't get elevated IV from someone dumping on the bid. @grok can you confirm my logic here
Replying to @1017trader
due to the wide spreads the algorithm in the screenshot you have posted is misclassifying the sell into bid vs buy into ask
Replying to @sheklemec
if so, find the other leg. there is no volume like this anywhere else. the only potentially bearish theory is that someone sold these calls to a market maker but I have yet to verify that claim
Replying to @El_DoN_EV @bubbaiscrypto
dont forget victoria's secret or proctor and gamble







