You want to hold $LIT this cycle
It's underpriced on every metric rn:
> 1/3 of HL volume at 1/22 of the mcap
> 2x HYPE revenue to mcap ratio
> Revenue doubled from July to September
> Price is down 50% in the same period
Meanwhile: Lighter files for a CFTC license in November (it’ll be the first perp DEX ever to do it), it’s still the perps engine in RH Wallet, and volume there grows 50% each month
Distribution keeps stacking, RH Wallet + Wallet in Telegram, LIT ETPs from Bitwise and 21Shares on Xetra, Binary options live, weETH accepted as collateral, LighterEVM live on devnet
And every dollar of that revenue feeds buybacks: 2.45m LIT burned from Q3 alone
It’s been down only since RH chose Bitstamp for US perps, but the fundamentals keep growing, in a cycle where revenue and buybacks are what matter
Sounds like a good deal to me
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The bitcoin ecosystem has reached the point of criticality. OGs, the firmest supporters of OMB, NodeMonkes, Puppets, and other niche projects remain stronger than ever. Rune holders are well set and comfy in their moonbags. Meanwhile the DOG army is undoubtedly the loudest and most consistent group on X.
Going to be interesting from here on out o7
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Now that we got this migration out of the way we can start applying the new tokenomics more actively.
The core of AIP-5 is POL: the DEX owning its liquidity.
I'm working on an idea to launch tokens with this framework. If you're a founder/dev DM me, would love some feedback.
The new $ALB is live on Base 👽
AIP-5 just stopped being a proposal and became the protocol. Migration from the old contract is open to everyone.
Here's what you need to know 🧵
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Could LIT reach a $150B FDV by 2027?
After the Q3 Investor Update, I started thinking more seriously about how hard it is to properly value LIT right now.
The problem is that there is no clean historical comparison for what Lighter is trying to build. We've seen DEXs become large crypto-native businesses, we've seen CEXs expand into multiple products, and we've seen regulated venues dominate institutional markets. But we haven't really seen a crypto-native DEX combine regulated US access, institutional flow, onchain settlement, external distribution, TradFi products and token buybacks inside the same system.
If Lighter actually executes on that roadmap, simply comparing it to another DEX and applying the same valuation framework may stop making sense.
Main things that could move the valuation:
> CFTC DCM + DCO approval and real US order flow
> Robinhood expanding beyond the current Wallet integration
> FCMs, brokers and fintech apps routing volume through Lighter
> Vanilla options + portfolio margin bringing in professional and institutional flow
> RWA, equities, commodities and pre-IPO markets getting real volume
> More wallet, CEX and institutional integrations globally
> LighterEVM turning Lighter from an exchange into an ecosystem
> Revenue growth and how much of it eventually flows back into LIT buybacks
And none of these really happen in isolation. CFTC matters more if Robinhood expands, Robinhood matters more if options and RWA actually get volume, and options matter more if institutional traders can use portfolio margin efficiently. LighterEVM becomes much more valuable if all of that liquidity is already sitting underneath it.
That's where this gets interesting.
Lighter is not trying to stay another perp DEX. Vlad has been pretty clear that the longer-term vision is closer to programmable financial infrastructure / a financial super-platform, where crypto and traditional financial assets can eventually use the same execution, liquidity, collateral, risk and settlement infrastructure while other financial applications are built around Lighter Core.
So I don't really look at CFTC approval as the finish line. It's more like one of the main unlocks that could let the next stage actually start.
Robinhood already gave us a small preview of what external distribution can do.
After the Robinhood Wallet integration:
> $17.85B volume in Q3
> 13% of Lighter's total Q3 volume
> 13% of Lighter's Q3 revenue
> $454M open interest
> Almost 70% of Robinhood OI was in RWA markets
And this was still early. There was no full regulated US rollout, no broad FCM distribution, no vanilla options business and no deep integration across Robinhood's full US stack. Yet one partner instance already accounted for 13% of total quarterly volume and 13% of revenue.
The RWA number is probably even more interesting. Almost 70% of Robinhood OI came from RWA markets, which already suggests that users coming through a more TradFi-facing distribution channel may want very different products from the average Lighter Core user.
If the same thing starts happening through Robinhood, brokers, fintech apps and FCMs, then the market Lighter is going after gets a lot bigger than crypto perps.
So here's how I currently think about the scenarios.
1. Bearish - DEX remains DEX
FDV ($5B-$15B)
Lighter stays a strong crypto derivatives platform, but the bigger financial infrastructure thesis never really takes off. The US opportunity exists, but it does not bring enough real flow to materially change the business.
> Robinhood stays relatively limited
> FCM and institutional adoption remains small
> Options stay secondary
> RWA and TradFi products remain niche
> LighterEVM never becomes a major economic engine
> Most activity still comes from crypto-native trading
Lighter can still be a very good project in this scenario, but it stays in roughly the same valuation category as other large crypto trading venues.
2. Base - One of the leading DEXs
FDV ($15B-$40B)
Here Lighter executes well across most of the roadmap. Core keeps growing, options work, portfolio margin gets real usage, LighterEVM develops an ecosystem and the project adds more distribution partners. The US strategy also works, but institutional adoption remains meaningful rather than transformational.
> DCM + DCO approval opens the US market
> Robinhood expands gradually
> More wallets and CEXs integrate Lighter
> Options and portfolio margin become meaningful products
> LighterEVM gets real apps and users
> RWA grows, but crypto still drives most of the business
At this stage, Lighter would already be much more than a perp DEX. But most of the economic activity would still come from crypto-native markets, so the market would probably continue valuing it mainly as one of the leading crypto trading networks.
3. Bullish - A new category of DEX
FDV ($40B-$100B)
This is where the thesis starts changing. CFTC approval stops being just a regulatory headline and actually turns into meaningful US order flow, while Robinhood, brokers and FCMs start becoming real distribution channels.
> Robinhood expands into more parts of its US stack
> FCMs and brokers start routing meaningful volume through Lighter
> Institutional market makers participate
> Options become a major business
> Portfolio margin starts mattering for professional traders
> RWA, equities, commodities and pre-IPO products generate real volume
> More users trade on Lighter infrastructure through third-party apps
This is where comparing Lighter only to other DEXs starts to break. At some point users might be trading through Robinhood, another broker or a fintech app while Lighter sits underneath as part of the execution, liquidity or clearing layer.
That is already a very different business from a normal crypto DEX.
4. Very Bullish - Institutional financial rail
FDV ($100B-$200B)
This is the scenario where Lighter starts functioning as actual financial infrastructure rather than primarily as an exchange. Robinhood becomes only one of several major distribution channels, while multiple brokers, FCMs, fintech apps, wallets and exchanges send meaningful flow into Lighter.
> Multiple major FCMs and brokers route flow through Lighter
> Institutions actually use the network at scale
> Options become a large institutional market
> Crypto, equities, commodities and RWA share the same infrastructure
> Portfolio margin and unified collateral matter for large traders
> LighterEVM develops a real financial ecosystem
> Partner instances become a major distribution model
> Annual revenue reaches the multi-billion-dollar range
At that point, the product itself becomes increasingly invisible to the end user. Someone might trade through Robinhood, a broker or another app while Lighter handles part of the execution, liquidity, risk or clearing underneath.
And then there is the other part of the thesis:
buybacks and burns.
Right now 100% of trading revenue is used to buy back LIT. By the end of Q3, more than 18M LIT had already been bought back and 109.8M LIT was staked.
I don't expect the 100% model to stay forever. Vlad has already said that once Lighter gets more mature, buybacks would likely move from using all revenue toward using profits or surplus. But that does not necessarily make the buyback thesis weaker, because a lower percentage of a much larger business can still create far more absolute demand for LIT.
20% of $3B is still much bigger than 100% of $100M.
I'm not saying a $150B FDV in 2027 is the base case. A lot still has to go right: CFTC approval has to happen, distribution has to follow, Robinhood has to expand, FCMs have to route real flow, institutions actually have to use the infrastructure, options need liquidity, RWA needs demand and LighterEVM needs apps people care about.
But the interesting part is that the upside does not depend on one catalyst. It depends on what happens if several parts of the roadmap start working at the same time and reinforcing each other.
DEX → multi-product exchange → regulated derivatives network → programmable financial infrastructure
If Lighter actually makes that transition, comparing it to today's DEXs stops being enough.
The question becomes much bigger: how valuable can a global onchain financial network become if it combines crypto-native liquidity, regulated US access, institutional distribution, TradFi products, programmable applications and recurring token buybacks?
We don't really have a clean precedent for that yet, which is exactly why LIT is so hard to value right now.
And that's also why I and a lot of other LIT holders are so bullish.
Lighter Q3 Investor Update
Vlad + Trevor King
~41 min
Main numbers:
> $137.67B volume
> $1.6B+ open interest (roughly doubled QoQ)
> $8.5M revenue
> 1M+ accounts on Core
> Robinhood instance: 39.8K accounts, $17.8B volume, $454M OI (~70% RWA)
What stood out:
> 100% of revenue still goes to $LIT buybacks and burns. 2.45M LIT bought back in Q3. 18M+ total bought back, 7%+ of original supply already burned. 109.8M staked.
> Robinhood is already bigger than many standalone competitors after one quarter. 50/50 revenue share. Growing faster than Core right now.
> Still no fees for standard traders. They're monetizing advanced order types (1 bp) and lower-latency tiers instead. Premium taker share went from 13% to 18%+.
> Lighter EVM mainnet targeted by year-end. One proof settles both Core and EVM. Tighter integration between them.
> Options are a big Q4 priority. Binary already live. Vanilla options + portfolio margin targeted by year-end.
> US strategy got more concrete. Filing DCM + DCO in November. Up to 180-day CFTC review after that. Pre-engagement has been going on for a while.
> Investor unlocks start January 29, 2027. No cliff, linear over 36 months. Vlad says most investors are long-term. They're also looking at strategic investors who might want bigger LIT exposure through partnerships.
> 124 projects building on Lighter. Proving costs cut 50%+, proof time down to ~1 minute.
Distribution is clearly a bigger focus now. Wallets, CEX-style integrations, and eventually TradFi/FCMs once the US licenses are in place.
Robinhood could expand further after licensing, but it's not the only US path.
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The bear case on $LIT was that Robinhood picked Bitstamp over Lighter for US perps
@Lighter_xyz responded by announcing it plans to file for its own CFTC derivatives license in November, aiming to be the first CFTC-approved on-chain perp DEX
@citrini gave it a 10% weight in their portfolio. I was late getting into position on $LIT, but I still beat them to it.
Let's unpack the bear FUD first.
At @RobinhoodApp's Sept 29th summit, it said US perps would run through Bitstamp, and LIT fell 14-20%
I, personally, lost several trillion imaginary dollars in the great nothing-burger panic that day.
Then came Lighter's Q3 gigachad investor call on Oct 21st. The team said it plans to submit the application in November. The CFTC should respond within 180 days.
When I had Lighter's Head of Growth, Trevor King @trevor_flipper on @MilkRoadDaily in September, he told me the team was "spending a lot of time with the CFTC trying to get US licensing."
Founder Vladimir Novakovski says the team has been talking with regulators for about 11 months. (Translation: they've hashed things out)
LIT jumped about 19% after the investor call, to $3.94
I, personally, made several trillion imaginary dollars that day of days.
The license matters because of how Lighter makes money. Retail trades for ZERO fees, and Lighter earns from premium tiers sold to market makers and API traders
King's pitch: "Zero fees makes us a really good dance partner because we can share economics really well." A US license lets Lighter pitch that to US brokers directly
Robinhood already took the deal outside the US. Lighter runs the perps in Robinhood's wallet on a 50/50 revenue split
Lighter buys $LIT with that revenue and burns it: 15.64M on Jul 10 and 2.45M on Oct 11, over 7% of circulating supply
Across both instances, Lighter now carries about $1.6B of open interest and did about $2.9B of volume in the last 24 hours (from whenever I last checked before writing all this at two in the morning)
The product keeps shipping too, and this, to me, is the huge thing everyone is overlooking. Lighter isn't going after just perps. They are coming for every trading market they can reach.
- BTC and ETH binary options went live this week (prediction markets)
- Lighter Core passed 1M accounts
- King told me a full options suite is coming by the end of the year
- all your trade are belong to us
Alright, now a dose of reality. They still don't have the actual license yet, and King told me the CFTC gets a 180-day window to answer an application. So it could be a bit.
The team and investor cliff also ends Dec 27 per Tokenomist, and @m0xt_ estimates about $50M of tokens a month could unlock from January against about $3M a month of buybacks
Lighter's Founder and CEO @vnovakovski addressed these concerns in the Q3 gigachad investor call as well, but the concerns remain for the time being.
Supply of LIT and demand for all of its products are going to battle it out on the charts for a while, perhaps, but ultimately, this market is huge, and Lighter is extremely well positioned. They have an amazing team, bold strategy, and proven results.
I think it's pretty $LIT
CoinGecko lists Lighter's Robinhood Chain instance alone at about $421M of open interest.
I am also openly interested.
Disclosure: I hold $LIT in my Milk Road PRO portfolio. We were early to $UNI (+54.8%), $AERO (+93.7%), and $SOL (+39.1%)
Try Milk Road PRO for $1 for 7 days, link in bio: @BitcoinJesusETH
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Schwab. Fidelity. E*TRADE. IBKR.
now imagine @Lighter_xyz getting integrated into any of them
honestly, i can totally see this happening. the whole system is being built to support multiple domains, so why would Robinhood be the only one?
imagine other major brokerages plugging in and bringing their users along. imagine the growth potential for ethereum:0x232ce3bd40fcd6f80f3d55a522d03f25df784ee2
source: Q3’26 Lighter Investor Call
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Five years after the metaverse hype, I think we’re starting to see what could bring these worlds to life: agents with identities, goals, and the ability to act independently.
And @normiesART’s Arena makes this idea especially exciting to me.
Here’s why. 🔳🤖
Ps: post inspired by @seizerpunk when I read one of his posts about agents and metaverse
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Spot trading for Pons (PONS) will go live on 7 October 2026. The opening of our PONS-USD trading pair will begin later today if liquidity conditions are met, in regions where trading is supported.
Another 1 million $STONK buy back and burn with almost half a million dollars in revenue. At this rate, I'll say STONKFun is either hyperliquid challenger or the new crypto upsetter.
STONK is embarrassingly undervalued.
StonkFun Revenue
(October 5th)
Revenue: $456,429
Buybacks: $274,232
Burned: 1.39M $STONK
stonkfun.xyz/revenue
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been meaning to post this, but would like to discuss the solana:8RVBk8vxLiUHueLUW1f4izFVqN3nWippLhkohKg6EGkS trade
VERY long post. if you're not interested in dissecting KNOTS or stonk eco, skip this.
timeline of what happened, from my purview
(this is annotated on a chart at bottom of post)
1) stonk started seeing big success, turbocharged by zcat hitting escape velocity of a proof of concept coin for yield pairs on solana
2) stonk started ripping and a few other "winning" pair coins started showing signs of life
3) KNOTS ended up surviving early/new pair supply dynamics and hit escape velocity
4) it was a pure play on stonk (which was on a rocket ship in early sept), and entered an "initial over-exuberance phase" where the tokenomics/meta is so new, nobody knows how to value it. coins here massively overshoot. KNOTS settled at 52m at the peak of this.
5) stonk had its first big pullback in mid-sept, bottoming on sept 16. KNOTS retraced all the way to 9m.
6) stonk went to put in its next leg higher, and KNOTS ripped back to 30m. volume on both its move to 52m and its recovery to 30m was huge, so the yield was insanely compelling too
7) BTC topped on sept 21, as did stonk, as did everything else onchain. we didn't know it then, but we were about to be in or a lot of pain onchain, no matter what chain/eco/launchpad your coin was on
8) stonk started a low-vol grinddown to hell
9) KNOTS is obviously beta on stonk, so it joined it in a low-vol grinddown to hell
10) as beta (it rewards stonk), KNOTS is only interesting if stonk is doing well. to make it even worse: its value prop aside from a very loose memetic correlation is kinda entirely derived from it offering yield. so now it's doubly bad - beta on its own does poorly when the alpha asset dumps, but the low-vol made the yield drop tremendously, crushing that narrative.
11) KNOTS went down disproportionately harder than stonk, retracing 52m down to 2.5m.
at present day: KNOTS is now back up to 3.8, and looks like it's popped 50% off the bottom, alongside STONK potentially being bottomed too. i want to see 5.5m to see bullish market structure on this.
so, i fully round tripped this coin.
there's no arguing that fully round tripping this was just.. dogshit-bad trading on my part. i can't deny that. but that aside, here's why it wasn't really just a straightforward anonymous "trade":
i schizo-bullposted this top to bottom on both fomo and twitter for several weeks. even if it costs me money, i can't in good conscience go that hard, and then suddenly dump it. you can be right or make money, and after that level of bullposting, i chose to 'be right'. (sidenote: anyone accusing me of having side wallets or some shadowy cabal can, respectfully, suck it from the back).
i bullposted it that hard because (and i know this sounds CRAZY in this space), i actually believed the thesis it outlined publicly.
i was caught off guard by how hard it dumped, but this tokenomic setup is an experiment in real time, and something i'm monitoring and learning from.
my thesis for continuing to hold from here (through today) is this. some rhetorical questions for "is this coin and its narrative uniquely bad, or is it just broader conditions?":
was it weak while onchain was broadly doing well?
(no, onchain across the board got massacred, every single day, for weeks. each day somehow impossibly worse than the last)
was it weak while stonk was in a sustained uptrend?
(no, stonk was, like all of onchain, in a relentless grinddown to hell)
was BTC, other majors, other chains doing well?
(no, BTC did a pretty hard bart at 87k and has been in a low-vol grinddown to range lows, even to the point where a swing failure pattern was threatened, ie bullish market structure in general is invalidated for not just onchain, but all coins in crypto)
was solana doing well?
(no, solana locally topped and went sideways + down)
so then, the story just becomes "KNOTS is levered beta to STONK doing well, and KNOTS is completely uninteresting if stonk isn't in a sustained and unambiguous uptrend toward new highs"
with that in mind, i haven't sold a cent of KNOTS here at lows, and i'm going to suspend a conclusion pending stonk being in a new uptrend (other than the conclusion being: don't be squeamish to sell, you're going to get shit and accused of terrible things regardless).
so the big path dependency here seems to be "does stonk go to new highs?"
based on revenue and cultural dynamics, i think it does. its revenue is modestly down the past two weeks, but only an amount *commensurate* to onchain broadly. this is important.
so invalidation is:
1) bull market is over or on pause (onchain dies)
2) revenue on stonk fun precipitously declines, while onchain volume broadly appreciates
does KNOTS go to new highs above 52m? i actually think there's a chance here, but i don't know - we haven't seen stonk to new highs. my thesis is the yield flywheel drags it down to overshoot to the downside, and the yield flywheel will cause prices to rip to the upside.
when KNOTS is as cheap as it is, disproportionate to stonk, you can get a lot of supply for cheap as stonk puts in a rounded bottom. then, you reap a disproportionate amount of free stonk on the way up
another scenario for these coins is they just become a short-term "bond" for their underlying, and kinda ping back and forth between big range lows/highs. maybe KNOTS then goes back toward 30-50m, yields a ton of free stonk, and then dies back toward 0 on sustained downtrends, and acts as a yield-bearing oscillator across the cycle.
continuing to observe. implications here for other stonk fun coins, though not apples:apples (more memetically rich coins can run higher based on the meme slapping, other factors, etc, and the right-side pair community/tent-size matters)
doug funnie.
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This one is pretty simple.
Either @Lighter_xyz gets bullish news from the CFTC and Robinhood and it's going to $10, or ethereum:0x232ce3bd40fcd6f80f3d55a522d03f25df784ee2 slow bleeds to $2.50 as January unlocks loom large.
If I were an intelligent trader, I would have done this delta neutral and sold off the same spot delta these calls gave (~90,000 ethereum:0x232ce3bd40fcd6f80f3d55a522d03f25df784ee2) to protect my downside and get better upside.
Instead I chose to do a Texas hedge and be long spot and options, because I do still think the recent bad news can very easily be roundtripped by Vlad Tenev publicly showing some love, or the aforementioned CFTC bull case.
Also interesting that I can long ethereum:0x232ce3bd40fcd6f80f3d55a522d03f25df784ee2 options on @DeriveXYZ, but I can't long $DRV perps on Lighter...
Similarly to $HYPE, once @DeriveXYZ gets entrenched as the market for these altcoin options, it's very hard to claw it back. Deribit still barely does any $HYPE volume.
First big $LIT options trades are hitting the tape.
LIT 27 Nov $6 Call
250,000x bought @ $0.4220
$105.5k premium, ~$986k notional
Breakeven: $6.42 (+63% from spot)
If LIT does a 2x to $7.88 by expiry, the position is worth $470k. That's +$364.5k profit, a ~4.5x on the premium.










































