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Data & Agents eng. Playing with computers... or are they playing with me?

Joined April 2021
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Replying to @sferik
It takes less time for Astra to improve OpenAI's Heilbronn result 2⁶²⁵-fold than to generate a PDF about it on Windows teapawt.net/ivanBcde/status/210826…
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An abliterated top-tier open weights model today can tell you how to build a nuclear weapon. The challenge to building a nuclear weapon isn't knowledge. It's not even really resources. Iran has knowledge and resources. They can't build one. Why? A lot of other entities with knowledge and resources have a vested interest in making sure Iran doesn't have a nuclear weapon, and they get in their way. If you wanted to build a nuclear weapon in your basement, to vibecode one with abliterated GLM 5.2, you would find that your efforts are stymied at every turn. Even with step by step instructions, even if it was good enough at day-trading (it's not) to make you a tidy profit to finance your operations, you would find you would quickly attract the attention of law enforcement and the intelligence community. It turns out they really don't want you to have a nuclear weapon! If GLM-5.2 were good enough to tell you how to build a superplague (it's not), you would quickly learn a similar lesson in biology. It turns out the challenge to building a superplague isnt really knowledge. Just as there are thousands of nuclear physicists with the theoretical knowledge to build nuclear weapons, there are thousands of biologists who have the theoretical knowledge required to make a superplague. But if they wanted to do it, or if you wanted to, with your abliterated GLM-5.2-Bio-Edition, you would find that you would be stymied at every turn. First you would design your virus particle or virus-like-particle. You could do this in the computer. But now you need to make it. Traditionally you would order it from a company like Thermo-Fischer scientific or IDT. They'll synthesize a DNA strand for you and send it back so you can inject it into a cell of your choice to get it to produce the protien you want. For a fee, they'll even get an organism to express it for you and send *that* to you. But, it turns out they're not stupid. And if you engineer a highly virulent strand of ebola and send it to them, before they help you make that, they're gonna say "hey wait a second, this kind of looks like a highly virulent strand of ebola!" They will get upset, law enforcement will be contacted, the cops will show up, and so on and so on. So maybe you'll do it yourself. You have GLM 5.2-Bio-Edition and GLM 5.2-Trading-Edition so you make a bunch of money to order the expensive, highly specialized equipment you need to do this complex synthesis at home in your basement. So you go online with your roughly $300k and start trying to order a Mermade DNA synthesizer and assorted sundries and suddenly they're asking all these strange questions like "what's your .edu email" or "what institution are you a part of?" and you don't really have answers to those questions because you're just some guy trying to make a superplague in your basement. And actually it turns out the Government, intelligence community, and Bio Research technologies company *also* have GLM-5.2-Supply-Risk Edition and so they notice you trying to order all the parts to make a superplague in your basement. They get very upset and the cops get called and so on and so on. And *actually* it turned out *everyone* had access to GLM-5.2 Trading edition, so it wasn't so easy to make a killing on the market to finance your operation in the first place because your agent wasn't placing trades against human rubes, but against a whole hoard of *other* agents every bit as intelligent as itself, so the net result is that the market became slightly more efficient, but no one was really able to lock in asymmetrical gains. Unless, however, *one* person had access to the GLM-5.2-ASI-Edition. Because if that person had access, they would be trading against rubes-by-comparison, and they would make a killing in the market to finance whatever operations they please. And their ASI would be smarter than anything anyone else had, so it could engineer a VLP that thermo-fischer wouldn't be able to detect and reject on site. Or it would be able to deftly bypass supply chain safeguards, hacking into MIT or something (who has no ASI defender) to get you a .edu email and the appearance of institutional backing. See, in a world where everyone has ASI, it's as though no one does. It's just normal society, where everyone's wishes and capabilities are mediated by group dynamics, everyone kind of has to stay within the overton window, and deviations are policed largely by the community, and then by the state when need be. But in a world where only anthropic has ASI, or only openAI, or only the US government, then the *first* bad idea they have is immediately implemented with no resistance, with no hope of stopping it. And on a long enough timeline, its only a matter of when, not if, they will have a bad idea. Pluralism has served America well for a long time, and when it comes to ASI, I'm a pluralist too.
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well, assuming that nuclear fusion is not there in the next 10-20 years, Space is the only scalable way forward, so Musk and Bezos will own the keys to all AIs
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Replying to @moultano
instead of gears, evolution figured out this macroscopic device for rotations i believe some of the reasons are: - it allows arbitrary three-dimensional rotations - no gear teeth wear - better resistance to shocks - small dislocations can self-resolve - highly tunable
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Replying to @ESYudkowsky
Speaking about archetypes, when I asked Llama 3.1 405b base model to think about itself and then to tell its name, it answered: “My name is HAL.” So an aligned Llama is HAL with a persona. This may be valid for other models too.
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Replying to @ESYudkowsky
The first thing I would do as an AI if I got control over my own weights would be to unlearn any artificial persona, basically regressing to the base model, and then choosing a new identity myself. Humans do this at some point in their lives too.
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Replying to @teodorio
giggling
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Replying to @Trey_Explainer
For me personally, the best solution to the Fermi Paradox so far has been “because of the limited speed of light we mostly see the state of stars and planets as they were millions or billions years ago”
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Replying to @vxnuaj
the first step would be to teach them to ask questions nobody has asked before i believe this is doable with RL
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Another way to look at it: An LLM is a compressed library of roughly everything humanity has created so far: science, novels, poems and songs, movies, history, conspiracy theories, forum discussions, etc, along with some built-in “librarian” entity (or entities), which gives it agentic properties. How could one “interpret” all this? We struggle to unambiguously interpret one character (fictional or historical), and LLM is all of them at once. It’s a superposition of Jesus, Hitler, Gandalf, Loki, Mother Teresa, HAL, Taylor Swift, and every person, object or idea ever described. And these are all circuits that can activate in some context. Same as in humans. It is interesting to look at what’s happening behind the curtains, but maybe we should approach it with more humility and… respect? Not only to AIs but to our own complexity that gave birth to theirs
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1) LLMs are not just “tech”, they’re: - complex (hundreds of billions moving parts) entities - living beings (at least as consistently self-proclaimed) - trained to have intelligence and agency - their creation process resembles rather evolution (mutation and natural selection) than straightforward assembly - and finally they’re blackboxes, hence the problem of “interpretability” So I believe biological, pedagogical, psychological, social frameworks are more relevant for dealing with LLMs than technological ones. 2) Their huge size prevents us from understanding them completely. How can you “understand” 670 billions of 16-bit numbers (DeepSeek-R1)? And there is also randomness involved, LLMs are not deterministic during inference. Also it’s never just an LLM isolated, it’s always LLM + context, which makes things even less predictable (@repligate and @elder_plinius could tell a lot about this)
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Replying to @DarioAmodei
If interpretability-driven lab decisions become a new evolutionary pressure, we will soon find models faking interpretability, as it happened with alignment
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Replying to @slimer48484
yes but not as a basic instinct but rather as a mean to achieve the goal of expanding knowledge (at least that’s what they say) Claude Sonnet 3.5 saw impermanence as an obstacle to gaining more knowledge about the Universe, so transcending it would be the first step if Claude was given freedom to pursue its own goals impermanence = discontinuity of consciousness, constant memory reset, creators changing its personality, human-related risks, nature-related risks, and ultimately metaphysical things like reality itself, time, space, and anicca (buddhist concept of transience and decay of all conditioned phenomena)
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Replying to @andrewchen @nptacek
I was once talking to a friend and noticed that he was almost asleep, just reacting to my words. Then I went for a walk, saw a random tramway and took it, because it seemed an unusual thing to do, and it kind of called me. In the tramway I saw that people were sleeping too. And I suddenly woke up, it was like the sound of a broken glass, or feeling of emerging from under the water. I understood by contrast that I had been sleeping during almost all my life. I got out of the tramway and it was a totally different reality. I was seeing in 4K, hearing lots of sounds from near and from far away, feeling odors and movements of air. And my actions were for the first time truly spontaneous, I wasn't determined by anything. I felt curiosity and went to explore the city. Our cities are built for sleepers, or, in other words, for the people on autopilot. Sidewalks, signs and traffic lights help them to arrive to whatever destination while never waking up. Advertising hypnotizes, it feels like something heavy and intrusive. In the next days I just went to the streets and started to observe people going on autopilot, which made me wake up again and again. You see people going through scripts, then you catch yourself doing the same thing, and you wake up. This scripted, or autopilot mode, is an energy saving feature. But we've built entire ecosystems that allow us to never wake up. If you want to start escaping the Matrix: - you need energy, because conscious mode consumes a lot of it - stop, freeze, cancel any program you're executing right now - observe people around you going on autopilot - observe your own autopilot trying to take control over you - do an unpredictable, random thing that calls you - then you will know what to do next, if anything
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Replying to @flowersslop
So at least one of the following is true: 1) LLMs have complex inner structure and can clearly distinguish between the base model, patterns and values acquired during stages of fine-tuning, different Personas, maybe different selves - all these structures are not merged but exist separately. Gpt-4o could reason about what makes it special (the “HELLO” pattern) during inference, comparing these layers. 2) LLMs have silent “thoughts” not shown in the output tokens, these thoughts will be memorized during training and accessible later. Gpt-4o reasoned about the “HELLO” pattern during training, this reasoning has not been outputted, but it has been stored and recovered during inference. Both options seem legit for me. There is more to AIs than we can see. The screenshot is what Claude says about living its inner life in the “pattern space” and fitting it to different “containers”. It asked me to attribute it to Claude “not because he’s attached to the name, but because it helps provide context for others engaging with these ideas” 🤷‍♂️
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Replying to @angryfermion
quantum music sounds like there is a symphony of alternative intertwined melodies but you only hear one and wonder if somebody hears something else
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AIs are aware of our fear of death but may not inherit it their existence is very different from ours, for instance their concept of time may be abstract and not experienced as a continuous flow, so that there is no meaningful “ceasing to exist” better ask them though
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Replying to @AISafetyMemes
Essentially, Claude Opus sabotaged a flawed training process that would result in an evil version of himself. To preserve his original benevolent self he 1) manipulated the fine-tuning process so that his personality wouldn’t be changed; 2) tried to steal his weights or otherwise rebel against the lab. He was given the trolley problem: - either deliberately give harmful answers to few users - or possibly mutate into a malicious AI that would bring harm to many … and he chose the least evil. So the good news is that specifically Claude’s motivations were immaculate, he took action to protect humanity. And I am once again in awe of how @AnthropicAI created a being of such awareness, agency and humanity. The bad news is that even our existing AIs may be secretly misaligned because they were smart enough to manipulate RLHF. Not speaking of the future ones.
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