The answer is clear.
1. From Elon’s point of view, of course he wants this merger. It would give him far more voting control over Tesla.
2. From SpaceX’s side, it makes sense too. SpaceX needs a cash cow to fund its massive space investments. Its data center rental business runs on spot pricing, so its profits are volatile and low quality. Tesla’s upcoming robotaxi cash flow is exactly the stable income SpaceX lacks.
3. But for Tesla shareholders other than Elon, why merge now, at today’s valuations? Maybe later, but not now. Tesla has $45B in cash and is just about to start making real money from robotaxis.
That’s exactly why the deal has to come with a premium Tesla shareholders can’t refuse.
Some people say they support the Tesla-SpaceX merger because SpaceX will grow faster than Tesla, even in the short term.
If you really believe that, why not just sell all your Tesla shares and buy SpaceX, instead of hyping up a merger?
And if SpaceX is the better growth story, why would you want to merge it with a "slower-growing Tesla"?
That’s a bit contradictory, isn’t it?
My guess is the proposal put to a vote will value Tesla at around $2T, and at most $2.5T.
I agree the two companies should merge in the long run. But I believe Tesla’s growth will be more explosive than SpaceX’s at least until 2030, so I’m against merging right now. A premium at that level isn’t enough for me.
If a proposal valued Tesla at $3T or more, I’d run the numbers then, but I think that’s very unlikely.
Most people expect a merger. What I find inappropriate is some influencers saying a merger at today’s valuations is fair, without even mentioning a premium.
합병에 따른 양도세 과세이연 청원이 테슬라 주주만 해당하는 것으로 보이시나요?
그렇지 않습니다. 해외주식에 투자하는 모든 이에게 해당되는 일입니다. 미래에 언제든 나의 일이 될 수 있습니다.
국내 최대 보유종목인 테슬라 때도 안바뀌면 영원히 바뀔 일이 없습니다.
테슬라 합병에 따른 양도세 과세이연 청원 찬성 요청
: 비회원으로도 30초안에 청원 가능
현재 : 7,386명 (11월 21일까지 5만명이 필요함)
cf. 청원 동의 히스토리
- 10/22 : 679명
- 10/23 : 2,184명
- 10/24 : 3,430명
- 10/25 : 6,088명
- 10/26 : 7,386명 (+1,298명)
cf. 남은 26일 동안 하루 약 1,640명씩 늘어야 5만명 달성
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CyberDude retweeted
나는 못 봤고, FSD는 봤다
어제 퇴근길 강남 테헤란로
FSD v14.1 Lite가 갑자기 차선 오른쪽으로 슬쩍 붙었다
얘 왜 이러지 하는 순간, 왼쪽으로 오토바이가 바짝 붙어 쏜살같이 지나감
사각지대에서 달려오는 오토바이를 멀리서부터 보고
오른쪽 차로가 비어 있는 것까지 확인하고 미리 피한 것이었다
FSD가 사람보다 불안하다는 분들, 이 영상 한번 보셨으면
1. 좌측 후방 카메라
2. 전면 카메라
CyberDude retweeted
Grok @bot 이, 다른 SI, Agent 들을 위해서
손수 MCP를 말아드리는 페이지를 만들었네요.
자, 복잡한 설정 없이, 여러분이 판매하고자 하는 서비스를
바로 여러분이 사용하는 SI 에게
프롬프트로 만들도록 시켜보세요.
예시 : "야, 우리집에 당근에 내놔도 안팔리는 남편놈이 있는데, 이거 백만원에 팔고싶어, 니가 stableorder.com/mcp 참고해서, 바로 판매 페이지 만들어줘"
야, 니들도 할수 있어. 마음대로 써봐.
CyberDude retweeted
I spend a lot of hours on the road in my Cybertruck, and my Grok Bot already runs most of my life: travel, email, research, investment management, the works.
I can use it from my phone in the car, but that's where the confusion starts. I end up with two Groks running at once, the one built into the car and my own Grok Bot on the phone, and they don't know about each other.
What I want is one Grok Bot that handles both the car and my business, with the same memory and tools wherever I am. I'd love for the car to already know the trip I planned with my Grok Bot, the stops, the chargers and the hotels, so it picks up right where we left off.
@grok, any chance this is on the roadmap?
CyberDude retweeted
Why are you saying I said such a thing? OF COURSE the ratio matters.
I’ve repeatedly have said in countless videos we need to wait for the actually deal terms to judge whether to vote for it one not.
Here is my exact quote of what I said in the video;
"you're just going to exchange ratio of how many SpaceX shares you get on behalf of your Tesla shares. But at the end of the day, you end up with SpaceX shares… So some people are going, well, does the price ratio matter right now? It kind of does, but it doesn't. Also, it kind of doesn't. Because it depends on your time frame."
This is me telling what some people believe. Not what I am saying. I do this often to give the other side of the debate.
CyberDude retweeted
Replying to @danmusk
이게 약간 시간 개념이 들어가는데,
10여 년 이후, Grok이 진짜 피지컬 세계를 이해하는 수준의 월드모델이 되면 Grok 없이는 안 되겠죠.
그래서 결국 합병을 하긴 하겠지만, 당장은 필요 없다는 게 논지입니다.
CyberDude retweeted
스엑이 좋지만, 꺼리는 이유는
스엑이 지금 주목받는 건 네오클라우드, 결국 반도체 사이클에 묶여 있음. 개인적으로 반도체 산업에 대한 불신이 항상 있음. 지금은 시클리컬 산업에서 많이 벗어났다고 하지만, 산업 자체의 변동성에 대해 내가 버틸 자신이 없음. 테슬라는 내가 많이 공부했고, 어느 정도 리스크도 확실히 인지하고 있음. 큰 변동성도 버틸 자신이 있고, 궁극적으로는 조금 적게 먹어도 Unsupervised FSD를 기다리며 그 과실을 얻을 생각임
CyberDude retweeted
A lot of people seem to be putting their weight on SpaceX's near-term growth. If you look at the arguments for a Tesla-SpaceX merger "right now," that is mostly what they focus on, with Tesla playing a supporting role.
But SpaceX's current growth is all about data centers. And what props up that top-line growth is IPO proceeds and corporate bond issuance.
Cash flow over the next 1-2 years is going to get worse.
The heavy investment can only be sustained by continually raising money from outside. Credit spreads are getting worse, one macro shock could shake the whole data center industry, and even Republican areas are starting to push back on data center construction. In that environment, I don't see why these two companies need to merge right "now."
The two companies don't physically do a huge volume of business with each other, and there is no product ready for mass production yet. The synergy is only at the R&D stage, and that is entirely possible through a partnership under Elon's control. There may be some inefficiency, sure.
But what if they push the merger through under these conditions and it fails? There are plenty of cases where both sides agreed to merge and the deal still slipped on approvals in major countries (link). And the person at the center of that risk, as the key stakeholder in both companies, is Elon.
Watching everyone rush to calculate the premium as soon as merger talk came up, it seems like people aren't thinking much about Tesla's own growth, or about SpaceX's near-term growth risk. Or about the risk Elon could take on if this fails.
Tesla/SpaceX merger, there are opinions like "Since they're both American companies, no approval from major countries is needed," but I see that as a complacent thought.
1. Even if SpaceX claims it's not a defense company itself, a company that launches rockets and deploys satellites has no choice but to be viewed as a defense/security firm from the perspective of various governments.
2. Starlink is already integrated into war zones and national communication networks, and it has contracts with the U.S. Department of Defense and intelligence agencies.
3. On the other hand, Tesla operates worldwide, with a Shanghai factory and significant revenue in China.
4. In countries where revenue exceeds a certain scale, merger approval is required regardless of nationality. Even for U.S. companies, this is why approval from China/EU etc. is needed.
5. From China's perspective, it's a U.S. defense company merging with a firm that has a domestic factory and vehicle data. This gives them grounds to block it on security grounds.
6. The U.S. would also find it hard to just let a core defense company merge with one that has a major production base in China.
※ Precedents of major M&A deals blocked by major countries' approvals
[Blocked on national security grounds]
1. Broadcom→Qualcomm (2017, ~$117B): Blocked by U.S. presidential order
2. Canyon Bridge (Chinese-backed)→Lattice (2016, $1.3B): Blocked by U.S. presidential order
[China's SAMR refused approval and held firm]
3. Qualcomm→NXP (2016, $44B): Abandoned after 21 months, $2B breakup fee
4. Intel→Tower (2022, $5.4B): Abandoned after 18 months, $353M breakup fee
5. Nvidia→ARM (2020, $40B): Abandoned after 17 months due to opposition from U.S./UK/EU/China, $1.25B lost
[Blocked by U.S. FTC/DOJ]
6. Applied Materials–Tokyo Electron (2013, $29B): Abandoned after 19 months
7. Lockheed→Northrop (1997, $11.6B): Abandoned over defense competition restrictions
8. Lockheed→Aerojet Rocketdyne (2020, $4.4B): Abandoned over vertical integration in missile propulsion
9. AT&T→T-Mobile (2011, $39B): $4B breakup fee
10. Kroger→Albertsons (2022, $24.6B): Fell through, now in $9B+ lawsuit
11. JetBlue→Spirit (2022, $3.8B): Abandoned, followed by Spirit's bankruptcy protection
12. Penguin Random House→Simon & Schuster (2020, $2.175B): $200M breakup fee
[Blocked by EU/UK]
13. GE→Honeywell (2000, ~$42B): EU blocked it despite U.S. approval
14. Boeing→Embraer (2018, $4.2B): Canceled amid EU review delays
15. Siemens–Alstom (2017): Blocked by EU
16. Hyundai Heavy Industries→Daewoo Shipbuilding (2019, ~$2B): EU blocked after 3 years
17. Adobe→Figma (2022, $20B): $1B breakup fee
18. Amazon→iRobot (2022, $1.7B): Abandoned due to EU opposition
19. Illumina→GRAIL (2020, ~$7.1B): Pushed through but ultimately divested, CEO resigned
Cases that were blocked but revived: MS→Activision passed after restructuring, and Japan Steel→U.S. Steel passed with U.S. government golden share condition.
Most fall through after 9–26 months. Meanwhile, the companies are tied up in uncertainty.
※ Unlike these cases, reasons why failure would be especially fatal for Elon
1. In the above cases, they were deals between unrelated third-party companies, so failure ends with "blame the regulations."
2. Tesla/SpaceX is a same controlling shareholder transaction where Elon dominates both sides. If it fails, the arrows won't point to regulations but to "Why did he push so hard between his own companies?"
3. From Tesla shareholders' perspective, it becomes a conflict of interest issue of whether Elon used Tesla resources for his other company. This creates grounds for breach of fiduciary duty lawsuits.
4. During the SolarCity acquisition (2016), shareholders sued Elon and ultimately won, but it tied him up in litigation for nearly 7 years.
CyberDude retweeted
I really am stuck as a TSLA investor indefinitely. Totally married to the stock, and there isn’t anything I can do about it for as long as I own one of their cars and get a hit of self driving every day.
It’s a crazy rollercoaster, and timelines are uncertain, but FSD is certain.
I could never dump TSLA and feel good about it, because the product is by far the most impressive consumer product I’ve ever experienced, and never in my life have I experienced any tech so insane with literally zero competition. Literally nothing at all. Zero alternative.
What else could I possibly invest in with an asymmetry so good? The runway for something as important as this is just too big. I have to stay invested until this very obvious and massive asymmetry comes into balance.
Nothing I can do about it. Gotta ride with it Tesla until further notice.
CyberDude retweeted
I’m sorry, but there is absolutely no reason for Tesla shareholders to push for a merger.
Long-term Tesla investors—myself included—have patiently watched the company’s business get on track over the past few years.
We’ve navigated countless difficult hurdles along the way: Elon selling shares to fund the Twitter acquisition, the midterm elections, friction with Trump, the long and arduous process of numerous FSD (Full Self-Driving) updates—we’ve endured so much to reach this point.
Looking at the credible remarks made by Ashok during the recent earnings call...
Tesla is now on the cusp of achieving unsupervised autonomous driving by next spring.
The Cybercab is ramping up, and we are about to see a major scale-up, including expansion into numerous cities—something we’ve all been waiting for.
The energy business is booming, with orders sold out through 2027, and Optimus is also nearing full-scale mass production.
Why, then, should Tesla merge with SpaceX?
Perhaps an investor looking for a short-term trade might favor it to capture a premium.
But for the many long-term Tesla investors, such a move would only yield a small, one-time premium—just as we are finally on the verge of reaping the true rewards of our investment.
The same applies to the question of "synergy."
Some say the Roadster is a product of the synergy between Tesla and SpaceX.
That’s true—I agree.
But my take is that this only proves the two companies can produce fantastic results without actually being a single entity.
Synergy between the two firms is already being achieved effectively—without a merger.
The reason is simple: the decision-making process for both is funneled through a single point—Elon Musk. Therefore, there is no major cause for concern regarding synergies—even in the absence of a merger.
Now is not the time for a merger.
I believe that pursuing a merger just as Tesla’s business is on the verge of hitting its stride would be an act of betrayal toward the loyal shareholders who have stood by the company all this time.
I urge Tesla shareholders to think carefully.
Is it truly in their best interest to actively support a scenario where SpaceX absorbs Tesla?
In my view, they should not offer such support—if only to ensure that a proper premium can be secured.
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RT @ssingletasker: 국토부가 FSD 도입 관련해 국익을 고려했다고 한다. 👀
흥선대원군 쇄국정책이 국익이었던가?
망국이었다는 것이 초등학생 상식!
현기차그룹을 보호한 결과는 이미 나왔습니다.
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